"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 33 (Spoilers)

RoyalRubble · Apr 1, 2020

Welcome to the 33rd installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!

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OUTSIDERS
Episode 1-13 Streams: January 4 to January 25, 2019
Episode 14-26 Streams: July 2 to August 27, 2019
Digital HD Release: September 24, 2019
Blu-Ray and DVD Release: November 26, 2019

Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

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Current Known News By Topic

Season 4: Phantoms

Season 4 announced. ComicBook 7/20/19
There will be more Apokolips, a smaller group of core characters, and it will be more character focused. Newsarama 7/20
Work on season 4 already started. Stories are currently being written and thought of. P&R YT 7/20
Placeholder logo art DCU Tweet 7/21
Chris Jones is a storyboard revisionist Chris Jones Blog 8/25
"we're kind of doubling down on our core season one characters that they already know and love" Teen Vogue 8/27
26 episodes, will be a time skip, may try new things/experiment, still more new characters and touch base with others, title of season already decided DC Daily 9/5
Nolan North started recording on October 23. YJ Wiki/Abdulah Khan reply 11/14
Kelly Kao started first day as storyboard artist. Kao Tweet 12/2
Emily Hu started first day as storyboard artist. Hu Tweet 12/2
Might be titled Young Justice: Phantoms GWW 12/16
11 scripts and 6 voice records done. No animatics locked. Greg Tweet 2/8/20
12 scripts and 8 voice records done. No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 3/3
Crew working from home.
Christina Sotta is one of the directors.
Rumored to premiere in November-December 2020 and Lex will be a central villain GB 6/6
No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 7/16
Scripts for episode 1 to 23 are complete. Greg Tweet 9/10
No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 9/10
The audio play performance during the FanDome panel on September 12 is canon and set between season 3 and 4. Greg Tweet 9/10
Phantoms title confirmed. CBM 9/12
24 scripts done, 20 episodes recorded, 3 episodes partially recorded Greg Tweet 9/19
25 scripts done, 7 episodes in post production, none done Greg Tweet 11/7
22 episodes are fully recorded Greg Tweet 11/7
All 26 scripts done, 22 episodes recorded, 4 episodes partially recorded Greg Tweet 11/23
Jane Mahoney is a storyboard artist. Jane Tweet 1/14
Yujin Lee is a storyboard revisionist. Yuj Tweet 1/14
Sam Liu is helping out. Sarah O'Connell Show 1:51:01 2/21
Sam Liu storyboarded a few episodes. Sam Tweet 2/25
Khary Payton commented he has "been a little more involved" in Phantoms. YJWiki Tweet 2/28
9 episodes are done, 12 are being animated overseas, pre-production is virtually done Greg Tweet 3/25
9 episodes are done, 6 are in post-production, 11 are being animated overseas Greg Tweet 4/22
Magical affinity of Atlanteans and the Zataras will play a factor Ask Greg 6/28, 6/29
26 episodes are fully recorded, 13 episodes are done, 7 episodes in post-production and the last 6 are being animated by Studio Mir now. Pre-production is virtually complete, except for a little bit of color on the last episode. Ask Greg 7/1
14 episodes are done. Ask Greg 7/2
All 26 episodes are animated by Studio Mir. Ask Greg 7/2
Will expand on LGBT+ characters Ask Greg 7/26
15 episodes are done, 7 are in post-production, 4 are being animated overseas Ask Greg 8/5
16 episodes are done, 6 are in post-production, 4 are being animated overseas Ask Greg 8/12
Episodes 24 and 26 might have been the hardest to write Ask Greg 8/12

Season 3 Leftovers

At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
Season 3 is all worked out very much in advance - the basic storyline and the characters, not exactly what would happen in every episode. Aquaman Shrine Interview 9/27/12
Enough leftover ideas to carry through to a season four. Vietti Tweet 10/14/12
Lots of new surprises and new additions to the cast, including a character created by Jerome Moore Moore deviantArt 3/10/13
More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Ask Greg 3/22/13
Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
Very specific plans for the Martians Ask Greg 8/8/13
Talked a lot about bringing in Onyx Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
There were many great discussions about story possibilities and designs for Mars. Vietti Tweet 6/12/14
Plans to feature Carol Ferris in later episodes. Comics Beat 4/17/19
Original ideas and some that have morphed in the intervening years are being used. Ask Greg 4/10/17

New Characters Unidentified

Hidden WildStorm character Ask Greg 7/18/12
Hidden WildStorm character is in season one Ask Greg 9/3/13
Hidden WildStorm character is a female Ask Greg 5/10/14

New Characters That Never Showed Up

Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12

Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16,

Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
A Red Tornado arc
Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
A musical episode

Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160

Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13

Season Three (could differ from Outsiders)
Earth-16 comic book
Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
A direct to DVD movie
Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie

ARCHIVED INFORMATION
Production Breakdowns TZ 3/17/17
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
Z-05 Katana TZ7/23
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16
G-01 to G-08 Ask Greg 8/5/21

Master Timeline

Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark
289 pages Greg Tweet 4/7/19
317 pages Ask Greg 4/25/2019
399 pages Greg Tweet 7/11/2019
609 pages Greg Tweet 6/30/2021
612 pages Ask Greg 8/13/2021

DC Characters

By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12

The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)

The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)

Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12

Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore

3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12

CyberCubed · May 8, 2020

Do you guys think Season 4 will be the final season? I think so. I don't know much longer DC's streaming service will last, and I think Season 4 would be a good place to wrap the show up. Seeing Darkseid spend all of Season 3 pretty much not doing anything felt weird after the long cancellation after Season 2. I'd rather they wrap the show up properly.

Frontier · May 8, 2020

CyberCubed said:
Do you guys think Season 4 will be the final season? I think so. I don't know much longer DC's streaming service will last, and I think Season 4 would be a good place to wrap the show up. Seeing Darkseid spend all of Season 3 pretty much not doing anything felt weird after the long cancellation after Season 2. I'd rather they wrap the show up properly.

This is Greg Weisman. I doubt he will ever fully wrap up the show.

Even if DC Universe doesn't last, I expect the originals to migrate to HBOMax.

the greenman · May 9, 2020

I don't think they'll wrap it up either. The purpose and theme of the series is "legacy". From what they did with

Slobo

, I can't really get on board with enthusiasm anymore. I will still watch, but not all that excited.

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RoyalRubble · May 9, 2020

There will probably always be some plots that don't get resolved within a season, they could resolve later on if the show continues, but I thought season 3 had a pretty good ending, as opposed to the previous ones.

As for a season 5, I presume we probably won't hear anything official until at least half-way through season 4 (and we still don't know when that will premiere). I could see it moving to HBO Max, if the current system fails or is dropped. As long as they keep it on streaming I imagine the show could last a while longer.

#TeamMike · May 9, 2020

I dunno... I feel like season 4 would be a good place to start wrapping up Young Justice. Otherwise it starts running into the risk of overstaying its welcome.

Personally, each season of YJ has gotten worse, but maybe season 4 will surprise.

the greenman · May 9, 2020

#TeamMike said:
I dunno... I feel like season 4 would be a good place to start wrapping up Young Justice. Otherwise it starts running into the risk of overstaying its welcome.

Personally, each season of YJ has gotten worse, but maybe season 4 will surprise.

You make a valid point. Honestly, I can personally see going 7 seasons. Though, I think the team already stated somethings that doesn't seem like they're willing to go outside the box.

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ShadowStar · May 9, 2020

the greenman said:
You make a valid point. Honestly, I can personally see going 7 seasons. Though, I think the team already stated somethings that doesn't seem like they're willing to go outside the box.

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What sort of things are you referring to?

It's interesting that season 3 had such a lukewarm reception. Perhaps a large number of fans expected the show to keep up the momentum and intensity that was established in season 2 (with the Reach arc and that alien race's stranglehold on the planet). What we got instead was a "back-to-basics" third season in which the old guard trained several newbies and we *gradually* caught up with other established characters like Beast Boy and Bumblebee as the season drew on. I thought that this was fine and not at all unexpected. I didn't see a war with Apokolips unfolding in season 3, despite the use of a new, foreboding opening title sequence that featured Apokolips prominently. We still got to see the New Gods step up in season 3, with Granny Goodness as the main antagonist and the motherboxes/fatherboxes finally taking centre stage (after being used sparingly in seasons one and two). This sat well with me. Also, Granny Goodness is a more appropriate choice of villain for a younger generation of heroes than someone like Darkseid.

The pace of season 3 was at times *too* slow and luxurious, but there's something ironic about the fact that some people enjoyed season 1 for slower-paced, "smaller" episodes, only to then slam season 3, which had similarly slow-paced episodes that focused on a core set of characters (at least in the first 13, which largely focused on Nightwing, Superboy, Tigress, Geo-Force, Halo and Forager). Perhaps all the Happy Harbour stuff was deemed too repetitive by some people, since we'd already seen a great deal of that in season 1. But the way I see it, season 3 had the task of "reviving" the show after a six year hiatus, and I think that the show runners tried very hard to recapture the appeal of both of the first two seasons by focusing on the original members' new roles as mentors to "unknowns" like Halo *and* by touching on many of the tensions that were prevalent in season 2 (such as the public knowledge of the metagene and the influence of players like Godfrey within the media). Season 3 was, in a way, the first season of a relaunch, so it stuck to familiar territory and didn't try to overreach. Maybe season 4 will emulate the pacing of season 2 and advance the storylines in surprising, dramatic, unexpected ways that pull the rug from under people's feet.

-batmat- · May 10, 2020

So you're saying.. Season 3 was like The Force Awakens of Young Justice? :sweat:

Medinnus · May 14, 2020

-batmat- said:
So you're saying.. Season 3 was like The Force Awakens of Young Justice?

At this point, I'd rather see Greg focus on expanding the YJ universe; he's tossed out so many hints at where he might go, but not a lot of it fits strictly in YJ. I'd like to see him do mini-series set in the same universe - finite large arcs, perhaps. Metal Men, Bats- and Superman families, LSH, Justice Society, etc.

Frontier · May 15, 2020

Medinnus said:
At this point, I'd rather see Greg focus on expanding the YJ universe; he's tossed out so many hints at where he might go, but not a lot of it fits strictly in YJ. I'd like to see him do mini-series set in the same universe - finite large arcs, perhaps. Metal Men, Bats- and Superman families, LSH, Justice Society, etc.

I think YJ would definitely end itself to spinoffs, although at the same time I think that would probably require more man-power and resources that they already pull into the main show.

khuddle · May 16, 2020

So long as Ra's Al Ghul comes back to the Light, I'll be happy

ShadowStar · May 17, 2020

khuddle said:
So long as Ra's Al Ghul comes back to the Light, I'll be happy

Hopefully he's cooking something up!

Light Lucario · May 17, 2020

CyberCubed said:
Do you guys think Season 4 will be the final season? I think so. I don't know much longer DC's streaming service will last, and I think Season 4 would be a good place to wrap the show up. Seeing Darkseid spend all of Season 3 pretty much not doing anything felt weird after the long cancellation after Season 2. I'd rather they wrap the show up properly.

Considering that they do like to leave plot threads open at the end of every season, I don't think that they'd be interested in a proper wrap up for Young Justice. Even if DC Universe doesn't last much longer, it would make more sense to move the series to either HBO Max or Netflix. The series is still popular and successful enough to be revived years after it was cancelled, so it would be kind of strange to end it just because DC Universe ended.

I'm not sure if this was brought up in the previous News and Discussion thread, but has the current virus situation impacted the production for season four? I wouldn't be too surprised if it hasn't given that they didn't announce a new season until after season three had finished production and we probably wouldn't really see anything from season four until next year anyway, but I was curious if something had come up recently about the production.

Yojimbo · May 17, 2020

Light Lucario said:
I'm not sure if this was brought up in the previous News and Discussion thread, but has the current virus situation impacted the production for season four? I wouldn't be too surprised if it hasn't given that they didn't announce a new season until after season three had finished production and we probably wouldn't really see anything from season four until next year anyway, but I was curious if something had come up recently about the production.

They've gotten quiet on social media about where they're at in pre-production and production. I don't remember much since mid-March when Vietti said it hasn't affected production, just some are learning how to work from home. On February 8, 11 scripts and 6 voice records were done. Then on March 3, 12 scripts and 8 voice records for season 4 have been completed. So by now should be 14 scripts and 12 records. Looking at production updates from Outsiders, work on animatics/boarding probably should have done for the first 13 of season 4 by now. Since Outsiders work started November 14, 2016 and by September 11, 2018, 12 episodes were done and ready. So in theory by around May next year, around 12 of season 4 should be done. So they could be shooting for a summer 2021 start for the first half to stream or to be conservative, early fall.

the greenman · May 17, 2020

Light Lucario said:
Considering that they do like to leave plot threads open at the end of every season, I don't think that they'd be interested in a proper wrap up for Young Justice. Even if DC Universe doesn't last much longer, it would make more sense to move the series to either HBO Max or Netflix. The series is still popular and successful enough to be revived years after it was cancelled, so it would be kind of strange to end it just because DC Universe ended.

I'm not sure if this was brought up in the previous News and Discussion thread, but has the current virus situation impacted the production for season four? I wouldn't be too surprised if it hasn't given that they didn't announce a new season until after season three had finished production and we probably wouldn't really see anything from season four until next year anyway, but I was curious if something had come up recently about the production.

I wouldn't go with Netflix, because they already turned it down. Besides, they've had enough WB DC content imho (Lucifer and Sandman). HBOmax will likely assimilate DC Universe sooner or later. They're already farming out their content like Harley Quinn and Star Girl. It could be to see how they perform with more eyes on it, or simply they will contract them out for good. Syfy has Harley, and we know that's a Universal channel, so who knows.

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EmaHalJordan · Jun 6, 2020

[Confirmed] Young Justice Season 4 Will Drop 2020, Lex Luthor Steps Up as Main Villain

Young Justice will return for the fourth season, which follows a group of young superheroes fighting crimes while dealing there normal teenage life. The animated series started airing form on November 26, 2010 but was later canceled after two seasons in 2013. The fans of the Young Justice were...

gizmoblaze.com

This article says season 4 will premiere in 2020.

the greenman · Jun 6, 2020

EmaHalJordan said:
[Confirmed] Young Justice Season 4 Will Drop 2020, Lex Luthor Steps Up as Main Villain

Young Justice will return for the fourth season, which follows a group of young superheroes fighting crimes while dealing there normal teenage life. The animated series started airing form on November 26, 2010 but was later canceled after two seasons in 2013. The fans of the Young Justice were...

gizmoblaze.com

This article says season 4 will premiere in 2020.

Until we hear from Greg or Brandon, it's all bunk. Besides that, it's highly unlikely it'll premiere this year. They haven't even started production enough to get anything. Can't believe they're that desperate from clicks.

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RoyalRubble · Jun 6, 2020

Yeah, I'm skeptical they would have enough episodes ready to premiere the new season this year. Maybe the original idea was to premiere the show after Doom Patrol but the Coronavirus pandemic might have affected those plans. Personally I also haven't really noticed the quote they mention, with Weisman talking about Luthor.

EmaHalJordan · Jun 6, 2020

Surely the pandemic benefited animated productions!

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