"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 32 (Spoilers)

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Welcome to the 32nd installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!


Check out the Young Justice subsite here at The World's Finest!

OUTSIDERS
Episode 1-13 Streams: January 4 to January 25, 2019
Episode 14-26 Streams: July 2 to August 27, 2019

Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

This thread is for general discussion of the Young Justice animated series and related products (i.e., comics, toys, etc.). Keep it locked at The World's Finest and Anime Superhero News for the latest updates!

Current Talkback
-Outsiders Season Three Talkback
-Outsiders Season Three Talkback Part 2

Previous Installments:

Note: We appreciate and encourage discussion. Keep your posts the thoughtful, relevant and insightful. Do not post any improper or inflammatory material, in addition to conducting yourself in a proper and civilized manner. And please, don't post for just the sake of posting. Have something of worth to add to the conversation. We will issue warnings and infractions if we believe it necessary. Remember, keep discussions ON-TOPIC!

Current Known News By Topic
Season 3
Before Announcement

  1. At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
  2. Would involve another time skip between the last episode of Season 2 and the first of Season 3. Ask Greg 5/15/2012 + Ask Greg 7/16/12
  3. The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
  4. Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
  5. Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
  6. Season 3 is all worked out very much in advance - the basic storyline and the characters, not exactly what would happen in every episode. Aquaman Shrine Interview 9/27/12
  7. Enough leftover ideas to carry through to a season four. Vietti Tweet 10/14/12
  8. Lots of new surprises and new additions to the cast, including a character created by Jerome Moore Moore deviantArt 3/10/13
  9. More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
  10. Given enough episodes and/or comic book issues, Cissie Jones will return Ask Greg 8/15/12
  11. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
  12. Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Fire, and Ice Ask Greg 3/22/13
  13. Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
  14. Very specific plans for the Martians Ask Greg 8/8/13
  15. Talked a lot about bringing in Onyx Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  16. Definitely had plans for Stephanie Brown Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  17. Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
  18. Would have introduced Troia in comic and show Ask Greg 1/30/14
  19. There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
  20. Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
  21. Had plans to bring in Arrowette CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
  22. Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
  23. Jack Kirby's Fourth World (New Gods, New Genesis, Apokolips) would have been a big element of season 3. TheFlashPodcast 4/26/14 36:12-36:40
  24. There were many great discussions about story possibilities and designs for Mars. Vietti Tweet 6/12/14
  25. Had plans for the Doom Patrol Weisman Tweet 6/29/14
  26. Plans to feature Carol Ferris in later episodes. Comics Beat 4/17/19
Season 3
After Announcement

  1. Greg Weisman reveals only Warner Bros. is currently funding season 3. Ask Greg 11/17/16
  2. Greg Weisman hints Season Three will play off of things from season one, season two, and the comics. Ask Greg 12/12/16
  3. No characters are off limits so far. No character that's been asked to use has been vetoed yet. Ask Greg 2/14/17
  4. Greg Weisman reveals he's mostly reading DC Rebirth titles as potential research. Ask Greg 3/13/17
  5. Original ideas and some that have morphed in the intervening years are being used. Ask Greg 4/10/17
  6. Still of the new incarnation of the Team posted: Arsenal, and Beast Boy CBR 7/21

  7. There might be new members of the Team aside from Spoiler, Arrowette, and Thirteen. DC YT 8/17
  8. There are definitely elements adapted from the Mike Barr and Jim Aparo Outsiders comics. It's a little New Teen Titans, a little Outsiders, and all sorts of other stuff. TZ 7/16
  9. There is no Teen Titans team operating but some Teen Titans characters will appear.
  10. Nearly every character from season 1 and 2 will return.
  11. Batman and The Outsiders comic has an influence on first few episodes CBR 8/5
  12. 18 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 12/26
  13. Episodes 13-26 set for June 2019. Greg Tweet 12/28
  14. Thirtreen is the daughter of paranormal investigator Doctor Thirtreen. She can access the knowledge of cities she's in, fire mystical blasts, track auras, and control bodies for a short time. Thirteen also has a psychic link with her pet iguana Leroy and briefly dated Blue Beetle. Jaime Reyes is now in perfect harmony with Scarab but Apokoliptian technology remains a great danger to them. CBR Article 12/31
  15. More appearances of Courtney. Whitney Moore Tweet 1/4/19
  16. 19 episodes are completed and the last seven have all been fully animated and are in various stages of post-production. Reddit AMA 1/24
  17. 30 second teaser for second half of Outsiders teases Amanda Waller confronting Aquaman about outing each other's secret operations, Nightwing's team fighting Black Manta, Mallah, and Captain Boomerang, Beast Boy returning to the Team, attack on Meta-Human Youth Center. DC Daily Episode 97, 00:00-00:30 and 4:40-10:51 1/31
  18. Bourassa finished the last post of the production drawings. Phil insta 3/1
  19. 21 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 3/3
  20. Production has wrapped. Kristopher Carter Tweet 3/11
  21. Still need to add HDR to last 5 episodes. Greg Tweet 3/14
  22. Turned in last animation adjustment for episode 26, season will soon be in the can. Brandon Tweet 3/18
  23. 2nd half starts on July 2 CBM 3/29
  24. 25 episodes are done, the last is set to complete on Wednesday Greg Tweet 4/7
  25. All 26 episodes are done Greg Tweet 4/10
  26. Something similar will happen with other characters in Outsiders that is like the growth of relationship between Superboy and Superman from season 1 to 2 SHP 4/24
  27. Preview shown at the RTX convention in Austin, Texas July 5-7. Collider 5/13
  28. New promo DCU YT 6/13
  29. 3 episodes on July 2 and then a single episode weekly. DCU post 6/23
  30. 3 episodes will premiere on July 2nd, 1 episode-weekly (7/9, 7/16, 7/23, 7/30, 8/6, 8/13, 8/20), and 3 episode finale premieres August 27. YJVids 6/25
New Characters Unidentified
  1. Hidden WildStorm character Ask Greg 7/18/12
  2. Hidden WildStorm character is in season one Ask Greg 9/3/13
  3. Hidden WildStorm character is a female Ask Greg 5/10/14
New Characters That Never Showed Up
  1. Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12
Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16,
  1. Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
  2. If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
  3. A Red Tornado arc
  4. Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
  5. A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
  6. Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
  7. Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
  8. A musical episode
Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

  1. Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
  2. Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
  3. Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
  4. Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
  5. The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
  6. Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
  7. Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
  8. Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
  9. The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
  10. Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
  11. Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
  12. Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
  13. Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
  14. Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
  15. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
  16. Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160
  17. Issue that used an episode of Hello, Megan! as a framing device Nerdy Show Ep. 160
Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13
  1. Season Three (could differ from Outsiders)
  2. Earth-16 comic book
  3. Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
  4. Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
  5. A direct to DVD movie
  6. Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie
ARCHIVED INFORMATION
Production Breakdowns
TZ 3/17/17
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
Z-05 Katana TZ7/23
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16

Master Timeline
  1. Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
  2. 149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
  3. 185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
  4. 191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
  5. 201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
  6. 205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
  7. Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
  8. 283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark
  9. 289 pages Greg Tweet 4/7/19
  10. 317 pages Ask Greg 4/25
  11. 399 pages Greg Tweet 7/11
DC Characters
  1. By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
  2. By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
  3. By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
  4. By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
  5. Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
  6. By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12
The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)
  1. Bombshell Ask Greg 11/10/10
  2. Raven Ask Greg 12/12/11
  3. Cyborg Ask Greg 12/12/11
  4. Starfire Ask Greg 12/12/11
  5. Beast Boy Ask Greg 12/12/11
  6. Supergirl Ask Greg 2/22/12
  7. Wonder Twins Ask Greg 5/1/12
The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)
  1. Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
  2. The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
  3. Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
  4. Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
  5. Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
  6. Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
  7. Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
  8. Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
  9. Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
  10. Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12
Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore
  1. 3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  2. Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
  3. Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
  4. Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12

If you want to discuss the Young Justice: Outsiders prequel comic, now available on DC Universe, please visit this thread:
"Young Justice: Outsiders (2019 One-Shot)" Issue #1 Talkback (Spoilers)

 
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Yeah... I am not feeling the aster with Season Three (or at least the last three episodes). I am not really invested in the new additions to the team, nor the plight of the kids n Taos.
Don't get me wrong - it's not bad, as such - I just want to see the characters from S1 and S2. Too early for me to say something like "I wouldn't continue my subscription for S4", especially given the low cost and the uncertainty as to what happens to DC Online once the main WB site gets kicked off, but... it's trending that way, for me.
 

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Yeah... I am not feeling the aster with Season Three (or at least the last three episodes). I am not really invested in the new additions to the team, nor the plight of the kids n Taos.
Don't get me wrong - it's not bad, as such - I just want to see the characters from S1 and S2. Too early for me to say something like "I wouldn't continue my subscription for S4", especially given the low cost and the uncertainty as to what happens to DC Online once the main WB site gets kicked off, but... it's trending that way, for me.
Poor Kaldur becomes Aquaman and shows up even less then he did in season 2 :p.

I do find it kind of amusing (if not necesarilly in a good way) that all those heroes that were teased in inital promo art (Robin, Traci 13, Arsenal, Spoiler), have really not done anything of note this season.
 

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Yeah... I am not feeling the aster with Season Three (or at least the last three episodes). I am not really invested in the new additions to the team, nor the plight of the kids n Taos.
Don't get me wrong - it's not bad, as such - I just want to see the characters from S1 and S2. Too early for me to say something like "I wouldn't continue my subscription for S4", especially given the low cost and the uncertainty as to what happens to DC Online once the main WB site gets kicked off, but... it's trending that way, for me.
Actually I'm kinda the opposite. I loved these past three episodes because they didn't focus so heavily on Brion, Halo, and Forager. All 3 of them have attributes about them that make me cringe whenever they show up, I won't go on about it here for the purpose of brevity, but yeah, hate/loathe/dislike all 3 of them to some extent. It says a lot when Terra's the most compelling compared to them given how silent she is.

With that being said, yeah this is the lowest of the three seasons for me. But that's what happens when they devote half a season to new characters attempting to get me to care for them and fail completely, while the old characters I liked get sidelined.

Anyway, judging from the next episode, it looks like the Team is in the spotlight there too. So yeah. More Gar, Static, Bart, Cassie, and Jaime please. Just please let there be less of those 3.
 

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I mean, I'm kind of waiting for more of the other Outsiders. Remember Katana and Metamorpho? Doesn't seem like the show does past that one infiltration episode :sweat:.
 
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I mean, I'm kind of waiting for more of the other Outsiders. Remember Katana and Metamorpho? Doesn't seem like the show does past that one infiltration episode :sweat:.
One of my favorite moments this season was the fight against Shiva, Slade and Bane, so it definitely would have been nice to see more of those guys. Metamorpho has always been the most interesting Outsider to me as far as personality and abilities went.

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I'm honestly fine with the current Cyborg design we have. He actually looks half-man, half-machine, instead of an android with a half-human face, and I appreciate that we didn't get a DC Animated movie rehash like half the designs and redesigns from this season.
That's a really good point, M.O.D.O.K., and if he were to join the Team or work with Nightwing, etc. -- I wouldn't mind him keeping that how do I say... more minimalist design he has now. At most, I'd like to see Bourassa take a crack at the New Teen Titans or even the 2015 look instead of rehashing the bulky armor era. His look on YJ now isn't too far off from those two, imo.
 

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My only problem is that he doesn't really look like a Superhero. I'd rather not see Cyborg fighting crime and busting bad guys in basically a hoodie.

I do hope whatever we end up getting is a sleeker and less bulky take compared to Bourassa's other Cyborg designs.
 

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