"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 34 (Spoilers)

RoyalRubble · Aug 19, 2021

Welcome to the 34th installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!

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PHANTOMS
Episodes 1-2 Stream October 16, 2021
Episodes 3-13 Steam October 21 to December 30, 2021
Episodes 14-26 TBA
OUTSIDERS
Episode 1-13 Streams: January 4 to January 25, 2019
Episode 14-26 Streams: July 2 to August 27, 2019
Digital HD Release: September 24, 2019
Blu-Ray and DVD Release: November 26, 2019

Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

This thread is for general discussion of the Young Justice animated series and related products (i.e., comics, toys, etc.). Keep it locked at The World's Finest and Anime Superhero News for the latest updates!

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-Outsiders Season Three Talkback
-Outsiders Season Three Talkback Part 2
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Current Known News By Topic

Season 4: Phantoms

Season 4 announced. ComicBook 7/20/19
There will be more Apokolips, a smaller group of core characters, and it will be more character focused. Newsarama 7/20
Work on season 4 already started. Stories are currently being written and thought of. P&R YT 7/20
Placeholder logo art DCU Tweet 7/21
Chris Jones is a storyboard revisionist Chris Jones Blog 8/25
"we're kind of doubling down on our core season one characters that they already know and love" Teen Vogue 8/27
26 episodes, will be a time skip, may try new things/experiment, still more new characters and touch base with others, title of season already decided DC Daily 9/5
Nolan North started recording on October 23. YJ Wiki/Abdulah Khan reply 11/14
Kelly Kao started first day as storyboard artist. Kao Tweet 12/2
Emily Hu started first day as storyboard artist. Hu Tweet 12/2
Might be titled Young Justice: Phantoms GWW 12/16
11 scripts and 6 voice records done. No animatics locked. Greg Tweet 2/8/20
12 scripts and 8 voice records done. No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 3/3
Crew working from home.
Christina Sotta is one of the directors.
Rumored to premiere in November-December 2020 and Lex will be a central villain GB 6/6
No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 7/16
Scripts for episode 1 to 23 are complete. Greg Tweet 9/10
No episodes are 100% done yet. Greg Tweet 9/10
The audio play performance during the FanDome panel on September 12 is canon and set between season 3 and 4. Greg Tweet 9/10
Phantoms title confirmed. CBM 9/12
24 scripts done, 20 episodes recorded, 3 episodes partially recorded Greg Tweet 9/19
25 scripts done, 7 episodes in post production, none done Greg Tweet 11/7
22 episodes are fully recorded Greg Tweet 11/7
All 26 scripts done, 22 episodes recorded, 4 episodes partially recorded Greg Tweet 11/23
Jane Mahoney is a storyboard artist. Jane Tweet 1/14
Yujin Lee is a storyboard revisionist. Yuj Tweet 1/14
Sam Liu is helping out. Sarah O'Connell Show 1:51:01 2/21
Sam Liu storyboarded a few episodes. Sam Tweet 2/25
Khary Payton commented he has "been a little more involved" in Phantoms. YJWiki Tweet 2/28
9 episodes are done, 12 are being animated overseas, pre-production is virtually done Greg Tweet 3/25
9 episodes are done, 6 are in post-production, 11 are being animated overseas Greg Tweet 4/22
Magical affinity of Atlanteans and the Zataras will play a factor Ask Greg 6/28, 6/29
26 episodes are fully recorded, 13 episodes are done, 7 episodes in post-production and the last 6 are being animated by Studio Mir now. Pre-production is virtually complete, except for a little bit of color on the last episode. Ask Greg 7/1
14 episodes are done. Ask Greg 7/2
All 26 episodes are animated by Studio Mir. Ask Greg 7/2
Will expand on LGBT+ characters Ask Greg 7/26
15 episodes are done, 7 are in post-production, 4 are being animated overseas Ask Greg 8/5
16 episodes are done, 6 are in post-production, 4 are being animated overseas Ask Greg 8/12
Episodes 24 and 26 might have been the hardest to write Ask Greg 8/12
17 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 8/28
Preview at DC FanDome DC Blog 8/31
18 episodes are done, 6 are in post-production, 2 are being animated overseas Greg Tweet 9/3
18 episodes are done, 7 are in post-production, 1 is being animated overseas Greg Tweet 9/17
Galactic Tour Road Crew shirts lists new location of Xebel. YJ Fan Vids Tweet 9/17Aaron Sparrow sports a Galatic Tour Road Crew shirt. Aaron Sparrow instagram 9/17
G.K. Bowes sports a Galatic Tour Road Crew shirt. G.K. Bowes Tweet 10/18
Brian Holhfeld sports a Galatic Tour Road Crew shirt in a "mini Young Justice reunion" with Greg Weisman, Zehra Fazal, and Nicole Dubuc. Nicole Dubuc Tweet 9/18
19 episodes are done, 7 are in post-production Greg Tweet 9/23
Doing sound mix for Episode 23 Greg Tweet 10/6
20 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 10/6
Key art and interview: will focuses more on individual character dynamics, more secrets and lies, will follow up on Legion ring tease, more to explore with Halo/Violet, will see more Fourth World. Collider 10/8
21 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 10/13
Onyx appears, Talia will have a voice role ANMTV 10/19
Denise Boutte voices 6 other characters, Dr. Lynn Stewart-Pierce will have an autistic son, does "sing" TSC YouTube 10/27
New poster arrives on HBO Max, featuring Tigress, Lady Shiva, Cassandra, Cheshire, Orphan and a new character seen in the past trailer. YJ Fan Vids Tweet 10/27
Episode 7 is "The Lady, or the Tigress?" and Episode 8 is "I Know Why the Caged Cat Sings". Loglines included. YJ Wiki Tweet 10/29
Producing lot of new art and content for social media, theme has the original synth theme but with symphonic instruments to connote growth of the cast, Dr. Janina Scarlett was consulted for their portrayal of mental health, teases more post-credits scenes, end credit scenes will comment on the episode or seed future episodes DC Blog 11/1
22 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 11/2
23 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 11/10
24 episodes are done, just need to finish closed captioning on last 2 episodes Greg Tweet 11/28
Work on season 4 is virtually done Greg Tweet 12/7
25 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 12/9
26 episodes are done. Greg Tweet 12/10

Season 3 Leftovers

At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
Season 3 is all worked out very much in advance - the basic storyline and the characters, not exactly what would happen in every episode. Aquaman Shrine Interview 9/27/12
Enough leftover ideas to carry through to a season four. Vietti Tweet 10/14/12
Lots of new surprises and new additions to the cast, including a character created by Jerome Moore Moore deviantArt 3/10/13
More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Ask Greg 3/22/13
Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
Very specific plans for the Martians Ask Greg 8/8/13
Talked a lot about bringing in Onyx Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
There were many great discussions about story possibilities and designs for Mars. Vietti Tweet 6/12/14
Plans to feature Carol Ferris in later episodes. Comics Beat 4/17/19
Original ideas and some that have morphed in the intervening years are being used. Ask Greg 4/10/17

New Characters Unidentified

Hidden WildStorm character Ask Greg 7/18/12
Hidden WildStorm character is in season one Ask Greg 9/3/13
Hidden WildStorm character is a female Ask Greg 5/10/14

New Characters That Never Showed Up

Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12

Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16,

Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
A Red Tornado arc
Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
A musical episode

Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160

Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13

Season Three (could differ from Outsiders)
Earth-16 comic book
Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
A direct to DVD movie
Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie

ARCHIVED INFORMATION
Production Breakdowns TZ 3/17/17
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
Z-05 Katana TZ7/23
Z-06 and Z-11 Ask Greg 10/29/21
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16
G-01 to G-08 Ask Greg 8/5/21

Master Timeline

Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark
289 pages Greg Tweet 4/7/19
317 pages Ask Greg 4/25/2019
399 pages Greg Tweet 7/11/2019
609 pages Greg Tweet 6/30/2021
612 pages Ask Greg 8/13/2021

DC Characters

By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12

The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)

Bombshell Ask Greg 11/10/10
Raven Ask Greg 12/12/11
Cyborg Ask Greg 12/12/11
Starfire Ask Greg 12/12/11
Beast Boy Ask Greg 12/12/11
Supergirl Ask Greg 2/22/12
Wonder Twins Ask Greg 5/1/12
Four Blonde Teen Female Archers Greg Tweet 10/6/21

The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)

Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12

Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore

3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12

By Animation Studio

Lotto Animation
-Season One

#3 "Welcome to Happy Harbor"
#4 "Drop-Zone"
#7 "Denial"
#9 "Bereft"
#11 "Terrors"
#13 "Alpha Male"
#14 "Revelation"
#16 "Failsafe"
#18 "Secrets"
#21 "Image"
#23 "Insecurity"
#25 "Usual Suspects"

-Season Two Invasion

#3 "Alienated"
#5 "Beneath"
#8 "Satisfaction"
#10 "Before the Dawn"
#12 "True Colors"
#15 "War"
#18 "Intervention"

Moi Animation
-Season One

#1 "Independence Day"
#2 "Fireworks"
#5 "Schooled"
#6 "Infiltrator"
#8 "Downtime"
#10 "Targets"
#12 "Homefront"
#15 "Humanity"
#17 "Disordered"
#19 "Misplaced"
#20 "Coldhearted"
#22 "Agendas"
#24 "Performance"
#26 "Auld Acquaintance"

-Season Two Invasion

#1 "Happy New Year"
#2 "Earthlings"
#4 "Salvage"
#6 "Bloodlines"
#7 "Depths"
#9 "Darkest"
#11 "Cornered"
#13 "The Fix"
#14 "Runaways"
#16 "Complications"
#17 "The Hunt"
#19 "Summit"
#20 "Endgame"

Digital eMation
-Season 3 Outsiders

#2 "Royal We"
#3 "Eminent Threat"
#6 "Rescue Op"
#7 "Evolution"
#9 "Home Fires"
#10 "Exceptional Human Beings"
#13 "True Heroes"
#15 "Leverage"
#18 "Early Warning"
#20 "Quiet Conversations"
#22 "Antisocial Pathologies"
#24 "Into the Breach"
#26 "Nevermore"

DR Movie
-Season 3 Outsiders

#1 "Princes All"
#4 "Private Security"
#5 "Away Mission"
#8 "Triptych"
#11 "Another Freak"
#14 "Influence"
#17 "First Impression"
#19 "Elder Wisdom"
#21 "Unknown Factors"
#23 "Terminus"
#25 "Overwhelmed"

Studio Mir
-Season 3 Outsiders

#12 "Nightmare Monkeys"
#16 "Illusion of Control"

-Season 4 Phantoms

All 26 episodes

Continuing from the previous topic, Greg Weisman mentions the show's master time-line is currently at 612 pages, plus which writers he would like to work on the show, and some casting process info.

Frontier · Aug 19, 2021

Marvelman02 said:
Zehra Fazal was a decent Halo. She was also a decent Lian. But I think this lady played a few too many roles. Am I the only one who thought her Windfall (the one with the cockney accent) was terrible?

I thought her baby voiced Lian was probably the most jarring of anything, but I think the accents for a lot of characters in the show could be hit-and-miss.

ShadowStar · Aug 19, 2021

Marvelman02 said:
Am I the only one who thought her Windfall (the one with the cockney accent) was terrible?

I thought she was meant to be Australian. But then, the two accents are often confused by Americans!

the greenman · Aug 19, 2021

ShadowStar said:
I thought she was meant to be Australian. But then, the two accents are often confused by Americans!

The two can definitely have a confusing crossover. With cockney an example is definitely Jason Statham. Australian would probably be Paul Hogan. I think the differences is in the delivery.

Both are so laid back in what they say, it's not hard to understand at all.

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Rick Jones · Aug 20, 2021

Frontier said:
I thought her baby voiced Lian was probably the most jarring of anything, but I think the accents for a lot of characters in the show could be hit-and-miss.

Lian and Amistad have to be two of the vocal performances from that season that I remember the most. They both just shocked me when I heard them. No disrespect at all to the talented voice actors but I wish they had more believable kid voices in play for those few moments.

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M.O.D.O.K. · Aug 20, 2021

Dunno about Lian, but I'm pretty sure Amistad sounding weird was intentional. They even repeated the same joke in "The Prize".

the greenman · Aug 20, 2021

M.O.D.O.K. said:
Dunno about Lian, but I'm pretty sure Amistad sounding weird was intentional. They even repeated the same joke in "The Prize".

Hmmm. How's that?

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M.O.D.O.K. · Aug 21, 2021

the greenman said:
Hmmm. How's that?

The audioplay? I liked it. Nothing earth-shattering, but I thought it set up some plots and characters for season 4 nicely. It made the wait a bit easier.

Yojimbo · Aug 21, 2021

M.O.D.O.K. said:
The audioplay? I liked it. Nothing earth-shattering, but I thought it set up some plots and characters for season 4 nicely. It made the wait a bit easier.

I thought green was asking how the joke was repeated. I forget, was it Amistad thinking ~~Snapper~~ Will was pregnant and pointing it out like he did with Karen in Home Fires?

M.O.D.O.K. · Aug 21, 2021

Yojimbo said:
I thought green was asking how the joke was repeated. I forget, was it Amistad thinking ~~Snapper~~ Will was pregnant and pointing it out like he did with Karen in Home Fires?

Ooh, right, my bad. Yeah, he was pointing to Will's dad bod.

Frontier · Aug 21, 2021

M.O.D.O.K. said:
Ooh, right, my bad. Yeah, he was pointing to Will's dad bod.

When a baby acknowledges a meme

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ShadowStar · Aug 21, 2021

I was just thinking about the unknown designations. Since Silas Stone is A-42 and Jim Harper is A-45, is it likely that Eduardo Dorado Sr. is A-43 and Wyynde is A-44? That is, assuming that Dorado Sr. doesn't have a designation with a lower number.

I wonder if it's also possible that characters we haven't seen yet have designations. In fact, this is true of Freddy Freeman and Mary Bromfield. But what if there are others, like Lilith Clay, who showed up at some point and were given an A-designation?

For all we know, characters we've seen in seasons past who disappeared without a trace also had A-designations... what about Marvin White and Wendy Harris? I can imagine that they might have eventually been let in on the secret that Conner, Megan, Mal and Karen all shared.

Frontier · Aug 21, 2021

ShadowStar said:
I was just thinking about the unknown designations. Since Silas Stone is A-42 and Jim Harper is A-45, is it likely that Eduardo Dorado Sr. is A-43 and Wyynde is A-44? That is, assuming that Dorado Sr. doesn't have a designation with a lower number.

I wonder if it's also possible that characters we haven't seen yet have designations. In fact, this is true of Freddy Freeman and Mary Bromfield. But what if there are others, like Lilith Clay, who showed up at some point and were given an A-designation?

For all we know, characters we've seen in seasons past who disappeared without a trace also had A-designations... what about Marvin White and Wendy Harris? I can imagine that they might have eventually been let in on the secret that Conner, Megan, Mal and Karen all shared.

The possibilities are almost endless at this point

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ShadowStar · Aug 22, 2021

Frontier said:
The possibilities are almost endless at this point .

It's so hard to keep track. I just realised that Eduardo Dorado Sr. was granted Zeta access in the episode before the one where Silas Stone received his designation. So it probably goes something like this:

A-39 Eduardo Dorado Sr.
A-40 Helena Sandsmark
A-41 Dolphin
A-42 Silas Stone
A-43 Wyynde
A-44 ??
A-45 Jim Harper

RoyalRubble · Aug 23, 2021

Just a small note, this Press Release for HBO & HBO Max Fall programming doesn't list Young Justice. It only covers up to November and it's also possible it's incomplete, but I thought it might be worth bringing this up here.

ShadowStar · Aug 23, 2021

RoyalRubble said:
Just a small note, this Press Release for HBO & HBO Max Fall programming doesn't list Young Justice. It only covers up to November and it's also possible it's incomplete, but I thought it might be worth bringing this up here.

Could this be because it hasn't been officially announced by HBO Max yet in its own article (if it's coming in October, that is)? Have other shows like Titans shown up in the press release before their respective "official announcements"?

RoyalRubble · Aug 23, 2021

Titans was listed in the Summer Highlights released in May, but without the exact premiere date, only the month of August (I think the cast also announced the month online prior to this, so it might have been close to an "official" announcement). Then the August 12 premiere date was announced in June.

So it doesn't really clear anything up in regards to YJ

, they might want to make a big announcement of it seeing how popular the show is and might require its own article.

Frontier · Aug 23, 2021

At this point I think it'll come out when it comes out

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the greenman · Aug 23, 2021

Based on the production updates alone, I just don't see it making it by October. If so, it'll be rushed.

Btw, the one episode I found issues with lipsync was 'Evolution'

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ShadowStar · Aug 23, 2021

the greenman said:
Based on the production updates alone, I just don't see it making it by October. If so, it'll be rushed.

As they've finished (at least) 16 episodes, they could very well start showing the first 13 in October.

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