"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 28 (Spoilers)

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Welcome to the 28th installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!


Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

This thread is for general discussion of the Young Justice animated series and related products (i.e., comics, toys, etc.). Keep it locked at The World's Finest and toonzone News for the latest updates!

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Season 3
Before Announcement

  1. At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
  2. Would involve another time skip between the last episode of Season 2 and the first of Season 3. Ask Greg 5/15/2012 + Ask Greg 7/16/12
  3. The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
  4. Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
  5. Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
  6. Season 3 is all worked out very much in advance - the basic storyline and the characters, not exactly what would happen in every episode. Aquaman Shrine Interview 9/27/12
  7. Enough leftover ideas to carry through to a season four. Vietti Tweet 10/14/12
  8. Lots of new surprises and new additions to the cast, including a character created by Jerome Moore Moore deviantArt 3/10/13
  9. More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
  10. Given enough episodes and/or comic book issues, Cissie Jones will return Ask Greg 8/15/12
  11. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
  12. Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Fire, and Ice Ask Greg 3/22/13
  13. Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
  14. Very specific plans for the Martians Ask Greg 8/8/13
  15. Talked a lot about bringing in Onyx Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  16. Definitely had plans for Stephanie Brown Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  17. Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
  18. Would have introduced Troia in comic and show Ask Greg 1/30/14
  19. There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
  20. Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
  21. Had plans to bring in Arrowette CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
  22. Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
  23. Jack Kirby's Fourth World (New Gods, New Genesis, Apokolips) would have been a big element of season 3. TheFlashPodcast 4/26/14 36:12-36:40
  24. There were many great discussions about story possibilities and designs for Mars. Vietti Tweet 6/12/14
  25. Had plans for the Doom Patrol Weisman Tweet 6/29/14
Season 3
After Announcement

  1. Season 3 has been greenlit. Producers Brandon Vietti and Greg Weisman are returning. "New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the team" synopsis released along with promo poster. There is a yjs3.com site but it is not live yet. CBR 11/7/16
  2. Greg Weisman states he starts at Warner Brothers on Monday, November 14. CB 11/7/16
  3. Greg Weisman states he knew about season 3 for about a week. Weisman Tweet 11/7/16
  4. Greg Weisman confirms they only started arcing the season and voice recording is months away. Weisman Tweet 11/15/16
  5. Greg Weisman reveals only Warner Bros. is currently funding season 3. Ask Greg 11/17/16
  6. Greg Weisman hints Season Three will play off of things from season one, season two, and the comics. Ask Greg 12/12/16
  7. Greg Weisman and Brandon Vietti are currently working on stories for season 3. Weisman Tweet 12/15/16
  8. Greg Weisman clarifies season three is not in pre-production yet. Weisman Tweet 12/25/16
  9. Greg Weisman estimates season 3 can't possibly be ready before November 2017 at the earliest. Weisman Tweet 12/27/16
  10. Phil Bourassa works on season 3 at WBA. Miyashiro instagram 1/7/17
  11. Khary Payton confirms he will return CB 2/7/17
  12. Episodes will not be 11 minutes in runtime. Ask Greg 2/13/17
  13. No characters are off limits so far. No character that's been asked to use has been vetoed yet. Ask Greg 2/14/17
  14. Phil Bourassa notes he is working on season 3. Bourassa instagram 2/26/17
  15. Phil Bourassa works on season three at WBA. Miyashiro instagram 3/7/17
  16. Phil Bourassa looked at scripts for season 3 and texted the producers in real time. Bourassa instagram 3/9/17
  17. Greg Weisman reveals he's mostly reading DC Rebirth titles as potential research. Ask Greg 3/13/17
  18. Brandon Vietti posts a photo of stacks of colored index cards at 16:16 PDT. Vietti Tweet 3/16/17
  19. Phil Bourassa works on season three with his Cintiq late into the night. Miyashiro instagram 3/19/17
  20. More and more crewmembers coming aboard almost daily. Ask Greg 4/6/17
  21. Original ideas and some that have morphed in the intervening years are being used. Ask Greg 4/10/17
  22. Khary Payton hints at starting work Payton Tweet 4/11
  23. Season 3 is titled "Outsiders", will air in 2018 on DC Digital Service, The Team "takes on meta-human trafficking and the terrifying threat it creates for a society caught in the crossfire of a genetic arms race spanning the globe and the galaxy" WF 4/25/17
  24. Weisman and Vietti generate the springboards and break the stories then he writes all the beat outlines. The outlines are then handed off to the writers to go straight to script. Some differences from season one and two was Kevin Hopps' involvement in generating springboards and the writers did the outlines. Ask Greg 5/4
  25. Chris Copeland joined crew as storyboard artist Copeland Instagram 5/31
  26. Alyson Stoner recorded around 11:37 am Stoner Tweet 5/31
  27. 5 episodes recorded as of June 16-18 YJ Wiki Tweet;Nolan North at Awesome Con 6/20
  28. Marina Sirtis will return Sirtis Tweet 7/1
  29. Britt Baron is about to record Elite Daily News 8:55 7/7
  30. Still of the new incarnation of the Team posted: Static, Kid Flash, Robin, Wonder Girl, Spoiler, Blue Beetle, Thirteen, Arrowette, Arsenal, and Beast Boy CBR 7/21
  31. Will be 26 episodes, about 12 are written and the last few haven't been written yet. After early production art from season 1 was shown, slides of the new Team were shown. There were plans to write out a character for the majority of season 3 that suddenly became a major player - even a lead - in the series. Black stealth suits were shown lastly CBR 7/21
  32. So far all or most of the first 10 episodes have been recorded Newsarama 7/21
  33. Artemis Crock, Nightwing, Black Lightning, and Superboy wearing black stealth suits CB 7/21
  34. Cissie King-Jones from season 1 confirmed to be Arrowette and Stephanie Brown from Invasion confirmed to be Spoiler. There are plans for season 4 and season 5 already. CB 7/21
  35. Thirteen's powers are magic like Traci Thirteen in the comics but with a 'Young Justice' twist Newsarama 7/21
  36. There won't be more swearing and gore since the show is streaming. The three act structure of an episode will stay but they're now thinking in terms of not having commercial breaks. First world nations, third world nations, rogue nations, corporations, and aliens will be trying to weaponize the metagene IGN video 7/21
  37. 56 minute recording of SDCC panel Alvarez YT 7/24
  38. There will still be a heavy focus on the core characters from season 1 and 2, some core characters moved from the mentee to mentor position, any person can be kidnapped, experimented on, and trafficked as a weapon, Bash Bashford from the classic Superboy comics will appear, in addition to the next generation of the Team there will be some progeny appearing, and they will up the ante on Fourth World but it may not be what fans are expecting io9 7/25
  39. all black stealth suits connects to where Nightwing's arc left off in Invasion CB 8/2
New Characters Unidentified
  1. Hidden WildStorm character Ask Greg 7/18/12
  2. Hidden WildStorm character is in season one Ask Greg 9/3/13
  3. Hidden WildStorm character is a female Ask Greg 5/10/14
New Characters That Never Showed Up
  1. Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12
Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16,
  1. Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
  2. If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
  3. A Red Tornado arc
  4. Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
  5. A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
  6. Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
  7. Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
  8. A musical episode
Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

  1. Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
  2. Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
  3. Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
  4. Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
  5. The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
  6. Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
  7. Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
  8. Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
  9. The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
  10. Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
  11. Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
  12. Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
  13. Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
  14. Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
  15. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
  16. Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160
  17. Issue that used an episode of Hello, Megan! as a framing device Nerdy Show Ep. 160
Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13
  1. Season Three
  2. Earth-16 comic book
  3. Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
  4. Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
  5. A direct to DVD movie
  6. Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie
ARCHIVED INFORMATION
Production Breakdowns
TZ 3/17/17
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16

Master Timeline
  1. Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
  2. 149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
  3. 185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
  4. 191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
  5. 201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
  6. 205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
  7. Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
  8. 283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark
DC Characters
  1. By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
  2. By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
  3. By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
  4. By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
  5. Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
  6. By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12
The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)
  1. Bombshell Ask Greg 11/10/10
  2. Raven Ask Greg 12/12/11
  3. Cyborg Ask Greg 12/12/11
  4. Starfire Ask Greg 12/12/11
  5. Beast Boy Ask Greg 12/12/11
  6. Supergirl Ask Greg 2/22/12
  7. Wonder Twins Ask Greg 5/1/12
The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)
  1. Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
  2. The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
  3. Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
  4. Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
  5. Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
  6. Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
  7. Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
  8. Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
  9. Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
  10. Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12
Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore
  1. 3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
  2. Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
  3. Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
  4. Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12

Continuing from Part 27:

I'm with you, I was worried with the constant adding new members in S2 we wouldn't have character development anymore. I'm pretty confident however we will, since Weisman said he viewed S2 as still being about "the core six+Blue Beetle" and the show onward will at its core be about those six characters. (I agree w/ him, outside Wally the core 6 was pivotal to S2)
True, but I wonder which new character might get the season 3 focus... Starfire? Wonder Twins?
 
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I will say a bigger roster takes time to flesh out. We had a lk
Iimited amount of time with the new heroes, and it failed to engaging. Except maybe Jaime.

If S3 gives us 26 eps and new characters, so be it. I will except it. I still would like those unknown Wildstorm characters. Maybe Gen 13 or Grifter will return. Just in moderation.

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Regarding the Wonder Twins... We don't know in what capacity they will be appearing in season 3. They may not be leads.

New thought so separate post. It is probable that Wally will appear in some form in season 3. He will appear in flashbacks or rise from the dead. We also know that there will be a time jump. Is it possible that if Wally does return from the dead that he may find that Artemis has moved on? Even if Artemis isn't involved with someone else, she may have moved on emotionally. Imagine... the love of your life dies. You mourn him or her but eventually you move on. Even if Wally returns, can his relationship with Artemis ever be the same? If and when Wally returns from the speed-force or the 31st century or wherever he may have a shock coming.

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Regarding the Wonder Twins... We don't know in what capacity they will be appearing in season 3. They may not be leads.

New thought so separate post. It is probable that Wally will appear in some form in season 3. He will appear in flashbacks or rise from the dead. We also know that there will be a time jump. Is it possible that if Wally does return from the dead that he may find that Artemis has moved on? Even if Artemis isn't involved with someone else, she may have moved on emotionally. Imagine... the love of your life dies. You mourn him or her but eventually you move on. Even if Wally returns, can his relationship with Artemis ever be the same? If and when Wally returns from the speed-force or the 31st century or wherever he may have a shock coming.

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That would be the amazing thing if we see these new characters on a different Earth. Wally has to figure out how to get back. That way, the team we know is still intact, but these alternative earths show Wonder Twins and other new heroes.

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Not a huge update, but Phil Bourassa is doing design work for season three.
I was expecting Bourassa would be back, though it'll be interesting to see how his design work back on Young Justice will compare his recent work as the main designer for the in-continuity Animated Feature productions and if one might bleed over into the other...

Though I'm probably not going to be able to help myself in looking for which of his designs get reused in season 3 for stock characters and the like :rolleyes2:.

Definitely curious to see his designs for any new characters, and if any will be characters he hasn't gotten to design yet (of which there are a few), and maybe even a few redesigns/new costumes for the old cast :cool:.
 
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I admit, I'm curious to see how Weisman and co. would handle Damian and his style of Robin on the Team, but I also think there's still a lot of mileage they can get out of Tim as Robin (and the rest of the season 2 Team).

Which is kind of why I'm hoping the time-skip is a lot shorter this time around :sweat:.

I kinda see Weisman keeping it short just so we can see more of Dinah as League chairman :rolleyes2:.
 

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I think I also brought up the possibility of Damian showing up in the next season in the last thread. I'm not his biggest fan or anything but Weisman would probably handle him a little differently than the direct-to-DVD movies. It's interesting but if they did have plans for Damian, they might predate the New 52 Animated movies before the show was cancelled like 4 years ago.

Honestly, I would be more interested in seeing Red Robin over Damian.
 
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I know they were slated to cameo at Rocket's bridal shower but never showed up; I wonder if Bourassa did anything for their characters at all before now.
 
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