"Young Justice" News & Discussion Thread, Part 27 (Spoilers)

[Yojimbo]

Welcome to the 27th installment of the largest Young Justice discussion thread online!

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Series Description: New twists, turns and dangerous new threats for the Team. This series is produced by Warner Bros. Animation and based upon characters from DC Comics. Sam Register (Teen Titans, Ben 10, Batman: The Brave and the Bold) is the executive producer. Brandon Vietti (Batman: Under the Red Hood, Superman Doomsday, The Batman) and Greg Weisman (Gargoyles, The Spectacular Spider-Man, W.I.T.C.H.) are the producers.

This thread is for general discussion of the Young Justice animated series and related products (i.e., comics, toys, etc.). Keep it locked at The World's Finest and toonzone News for the latest updates!

Previous Installments:

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-News & Discussion Thread, Part 1
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 2
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 3
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 4
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 5
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 6
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 7
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 8
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 9
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 10
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 11
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 12
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 13
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 14
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 15
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 16
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 17
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 18
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 19
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 20
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 21
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 22
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 23
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 24
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 25
-News & Discussion Thread, Part 26

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Current Known News By Topic

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New Characters

1. Hidden WildStorm character Ask Greg 7/18/12
2. Hidden WildStorm character is in season one Ask Greg 9/3/13
3. Hidden WildStorm character is a female Ask Greg 5/10/14

New Characters That Never Showed Up

1. Catwoman Grey DeLisle Tumblr 11/5/12

Cut Storylines/Reworked into Time Skip Ask Greg 3/31/13, Life After YJ 1/10/14, Mary Sue 4/17/15, CBR 3/31/16,

1. Donna Troy/Troia and Mary Bromfield/Sergeant Marvel were cut from the bridal shower in "Satisfaction" because it would have required four new designs and the crew was stretched too thin.
2. If Donna and Mary were designed, they would have appeared in "Endgame"
3. A Red Tornado arc
4. Lieutenant Marvel and Sergeant Marvel were originally considered to be on the Team in season 2
5. A Zatanna arc - a follow up between Zatanna, Zatara, and Dr. Fate
6. Donna Troy was originally planned to be used in season 1 but at the time, both her and Cassie Sandsmark were on the "can't use" list. By the time Geoff Johns became creative director and cleared them for use, it was too late. The next plan was have Donna cameo in season 2 but was cut for time and design constraints.
7. Green Lantern arc involving young rookies in the Corp
8. A musical episode

Season 3
Ideas and Beyond

1. At least 7 major characters that staff wanted to add to Season 2 that won't be appearing at all because there just wasn't any room for them. So they'll have to be saved for the comic book and/or a potential Season 3 Ask Greg 5/4/12
2. Would involve another time skip between the last episode of Season 2 and the first of Season 3. Ask Greg 5/15/2012 + Ask Greg 7/16/12
3. The 12th villain from Young Justice: Legacy will play into Season 3 if the show is renewed ComicsOnline (6:33-6:53) 6/11/12
4. Interest in incorporating some characters from Wildstorm Comics Ask Greg 7/18/12
5. Starfire is a character the staff has talked about using GamerFitNation Interview, 8:24-8:28 mark 8/17/12
6. Season 3 is all worked out very much in advance - the basic storyline and the characters, not exactly what would happen in every episode. Aquaman Shrine Interview 9/27/12
7. Enough leftover ideas to carry through to a season four. Vietti Tweet 10/14/12
8. Lots of new surprises and new additions to the cast, including a character created by Jerome Moore Moore deviantArt 3/10/13
9. More to Madame Xanadu's story than revealed so far Ask Greg 4/12/11
10. Given enough episodes and/or comic book issues, Cissie Jones will return Ask Greg 8/15/12
11. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
12. Plans for some in this list: Vixen, Gypsy, Dr. Light, Fire, and Ice Ask Greg 3/22/13
13. Producers had specific ideas for Earth-16 version of the Wonder Twins, Zan & Jayna. Ask Greg 4/29/13
14. Very specific plans for the Martians Ask Greg 8/8/13
15. Talked a lot about bringing in Onyx Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
16. Definitely had plans for Stephanie Brown Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
17. Had plans for Ravager Ask Greg 1/30/14
18. Would have introduced Troia in comic and show Ask Greg 1/30/14
19. There were plans for the unidentified alien race who sent Tiamat to Earth Ask Greg 1/31/14
20. Eventual plans for everyone on the original list of 50+ candidates for the Team Ask Greg 3/19/14
21. Had plans to bring in Arrowette CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
22. Had plans to bring in Mia Dearden/Speedy CBC Spotlight Ep 13 3/22/14 (21:46-22:05)
23. Jack Kirby's Fourth World (New Gods, New Genesis, Apokolips) would have been a big element of season 3. TheFlashPodcast 4/26/14 36:12-36:40
24. There were many great discussions about story possibilities and designs for Mars. Vietti Tweet 6/12/14
25. Had plans for the Doom Patrol Weisman Tweet 6/29/14

Young Justice: Invasion and Pitched Earth-16 Comic
Ideas and Unused Storylines

1. Originally a few more issues were planned before jumping to the Invasion time frame Chris Jones 6/12/12
2. Will see more of the JSA (and All-Star Squadron) in the comics. Ask Greg 12/9/11
3. Will be cameos of other JSA members Youtube - DC Nation Panel 3/18/12
4. Staff has stories in mind for JSA and A-SS WF 10/2/12
5. The #9-10 arc revisited eventually Ask Greg 2/13/12
6. Eventually more of Talia Ask Greg 4/16/12
7. Will see more of Green Arrow and Black Canary's relationship explored in Issue #20-21. Ask Greg 4/16/12
8. Earth-16 version of the DC Showcase short "Green Arrow" Ask Greg 5/8/12
9. The Green Arrow, Black Canary, Artemis, Red Arrow story (set after Episode 1x14) was originally planned for 20-21 but will have to wait and will get to it eventually. Ask Greg 6/13/12
10. Count Vertigo, Merlyn, Henchy, Red Arrow's life as an unwitting mole and the death of Perdita's father also figured into the Green Arrow story. WF Interview 2/19/13
11. Marvel Family story was planned. WF Chris Jones Interview 9/18/12
12. Billy Batson's 3 best school friends - Freddy Freeman, Kit Freeman, and Mary Bromfield would have been introduced in the Marvel story. WF Interview 2/19/13
13. Freddy Freeman is Lieutenant Marvel and Mary Bromfield is Sergeant Marvel. Ask Greg 10/8/13
14. Captain Marvel's origin story WF Interview 12/16/13
15. Some more on the Green Lanterns and Martians Ask Greg 3/22/13
16. Two-Face Nerdy Show Ep. 160
17. Issue that used an episode of Hello, Megan! as a framing device Nerdy Show Ep. 160

Non-Greenlit Pitches Ask Greg 3/22/13

1. Season Three
2. Earth-16 comic book
3. Animated spin-offs such as one featuring Arsenal and/or the Arrow Family
4. Black Manta Celebrity Hot Tub shorts
5. A direct to DVD movie
6. Brandon Vietti pitched a YJ meets Scooby movie

ARCHIVED INFORMATION
The Team Designations Ask Greg 8/28/12
All Designations (except 27, 28, A-06-A-09, B-26) WF 3/12/13
A-06 to A-07 Ask Greg 10/3/14
A-14 Greg Weisman Tweet 11/24/16
A-15 to A-20 Ask Greg 11/21/16

Master Timeline

1. Weisman's master timeline was at 139 pages Ask Greg 12/3/10
2. 149 pages Ask Greg 1/28/11
3. 185 pages Ask Greg 11/18/11
4. 191 pages KSite TV Interview 4/26/12
5. 201 pages Ask Greg 9/4/12
6. 205 pages Ask Greg 10/4/12
7. Completed at 250 pages (includes, everything from the two seasons, the tie-in comic, the Legacy video game, some back story such as the Golden Age, and some of the characters from the five year gap) Ask Greg 5/17/13
8. 283 pages Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 30s minute mark

DC Characters

1. By Episode 16, 135 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 8/23/10
2. By Episode 17, 147 DC characters have appeared Ask Greg 9/3/10
3. By Episode 24, 174 DC characters have appeared MTV 1/14/11
4. By Episode 26, 179 total DC characters have appeared. But that includes omitted characters like Catherine Cobert. Ask Greg 2/24/11 + Ask Greg 2/7/12
5. Season Two, 145 name characters Ask Greg 2/7/12
6. By Episode 46, 241 total DC characters Newsarama 3/17/12

The Master List - Potential Teen Heroes to join the Team (50-60)

1. Bombshell Ask Greg 11/10/10
2. Raven Ask Greg 12/12/11
3. Cyborg Ask Greg 12/12/11
4. Starfire Ask Greg 12/12/11
5. Beast Boy Ask Greg 12/12/11
6. Supergirl Ask Greg 2/22/12
7. Wonder Twins Ask Greg 5/1/12

The Master List - Potential Members of The Light (100+)

1. Count Vertigo Ask Greg 1/16/12
2. The Joker Ask Greg 1/16/12
3. Ultra-Humanite Ask Greg 1/16/12
4. Atomic Skull Ask Greg 1/16/12
5. Poison Ivy Ask Greg 1/16/12
6. Black Adam Ask Greg 1/16/12
7. Wotan Ask Greg 1/16/12 + Ask Greg 4/12/12
8. Felix Faust Ask Greg 4/12/12
9. Blackbriar Thorn Ask Greg 4/12/12
10. Wizard Ask Greg 4/12/12

Characters Off Limits at Start of Series But Not Anymore

1. 3-4 characters were off limits Life After Young Justice 1/10/14, 21-31 minute mark
2. Wildstorm imprint Ask Greg 7/18/12
3. Donna Troy Ask Greg 7/17/12
4. Cassie Sandsmark Ask Greg 7/17/12

 

[Magmaster12]

To continue the topic I personally think this show had the best incarnation of Dick Grayson yet, while I do like the one in Batman TAS I can understand why Greg wouldn't like the idea of Batman and Nightwing having a falling out since that would lead to Gotham having no protector without Bruce and Dick becoming Nightwing was more about him establishing his identity not because he was mad at Bruce the way I see it they only had a falling out because Dick was going to college out of state.

In my opinion the worst incarnation Dick would was in Teen Titans his determination and ego issue just seemed empty without any revealed backstory, there's being subtle and then just lazy writing and giving characterization out of no where. What bothered me most was how he became determined enough to almost kill his own friends seriously they never go into why at all that and the who is Slade thing make me think the writers for Teen Titans had no idea what they were doing. Personally I do like the idea of having a character obsessed but I liked better when they did it with Batman you know what they were doing in JLU at the same time as Teen Titans. Which brings back to Young Justice I like the fact that he realizes he doesn't want to have the huge determination that he had like in Teen Titans he doesn't want to become obsessed and kill his team mates in the name of a mission he doesn't want to be like Batman at all. Nightwing may have risked everyone by putting Kaldurr and Artemis undercover but at least he was willing trust them to do there own thing . That's why he's probably my favorite incarnation in Young Justice. I also like to think the main reason Nighting is so serious is because of the death of Jason Todd and knowing if he hadn't given up the mantle he might have lived.

 

[Red Arrow]

I have been wondering why Impulse's apocalyptic future (2056) hasn't been completey whiped out at the end of the episode ''Bloodlines''?
Impulse saved the world by putting that blue pill on Neutron's body, and Blue Beetle managed to get fully control over his scarab in the episode ''Intervention''.
So what did occur the apocalypse?

I have the feeling I am missing something important. (It has been a few months since I watched the series) But I can't find any answers on ToonZone or Wikia.

 

[the greenman]

I may be stepping on Yojimbo's territory, as he's more prone to helping with stuff like this. A website called Askgreg (as in writer producer Greg Weisman) can help. I found a possible answer.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

 

[Yojimbo]

I have been wondering why Impulse's apocalyptic future (2056) hasn't been completey whiped out at the end of the episode ''Bloodlines''?
Impulse saved the world by putting that blue pill on Neutron's body, and Blue Beetle managed to get fully control over his scarab in the episode ''Intervention''.
So what did occur the apocalypse?

I have the feeling I am missing something important. (It has been a few months since I watched the series) But I can't find any answers on ToonZone or Wikia.

It's hard to say because the last scene in "Bloodlines" is relative to when Impulse saves Neutron in the past. He still had other things to alter in the past to prevent the Reach apocalypse. As season two progressed, I'm sure the 2056 era changed even more. It's too bad we didn't see how different 2056 looked like by the end of "Endgame". All we know is Impulse wasn't able to help prevent the destruction of Mount Justice so it's possible nothing was ever done (i.e. a new base was never built in its place).

I may be stepping on Yojimbo's territory, as he's more prone to helping with stuff like this. A website called Askgreg (as in writer producer Greg Weisman) can help. I found a possible answer.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

By no mines are you doing so. Time travel and Hypertime makes me cross-eyed.

 

[Frontier]

Especially so when dealing with it in comic books .

 

[Nygma]

It's hard to say because the last scene in "Bloodlines" is relative to when Impulse saves Neutron in the past. He still had other things to alter in the past to prevent the Reach apocalypse. As season two progressed, I'm sure the 2056 era changed even more. It's too bad we didn't see how different 2056 looked like by the end of "Endgame". All we know is Impulse wasn't able to help prevent the destruction of Mount Justice so it's possible nothing was ever done (i.e. a new base was never built in its place).

Actually the way time travel worked according to Greg is that the minute you go back in time, time will take into account all the changes made to the stream, not just one at a time. Also I can't remember the specific question, but @ station 8, Greg noted that at the bottom of the screen at the end of Bloodlines, a VERY SMALL amount of Happy Harbor can be seen. He also noted that the rain of ash disappearing as well. Nathaniel just ASSUMED nothing changed because of Mount Justice being destroyed.

 

[Yojimbo]

Actually the way time travel worked according to Greg is that the minute you go back in time, time will take into account all the changes made to the stream, not just one at a time. Also I can't remember the specific question, but @ station 8, Greg noted that at the bottom of the screen at the end of Bloodlines, a VERY SMALL amount of Happy Harbor can be seen. He also noted that the rain of ash disappearing as well. Nathaniel just ASSUMED nothing changed because of Mount Justice being destroyed.

Cool. Hope they do a Blu-Ray for Invasion.

 

[Red Arrow]

Actually the way time travel worked according to Greg is that the minute you go back in time, time will take into account all the changes made to the stream, not just one at a time. Also I can't remember the specific question, but @ station 8, Greg noted that at the bottom of the screen at the end of Bloodlines, a VERY SMALL amount of Happy Harbor can be seen. He also noted that the rain of ash disappearing as well. Nathaniel just ASSUMED nothing changed because of Mount Justice being destroyed.

Wow! Thank you for clearing this up

 

[Yojimbo]

On Ask Greg, Mr. Weisman answered a question about Wally in season two. Good read.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

 

[Magmaster12]

On Ask Greg, Mr. Weisman answered a question about Wally in season two. Good read.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

I give this show a lot of credit for giving Wally so much to do, during his run on the Titans Marv Wolfman had no idea what to do with his character being the most normal person on the team but Greg Wiesman made him work

 

[Yojimbo]

At LBCC, WAC announced there will be a Young Justice: Invasion Blu-Ray and it will have special features. But I'm sure some will gripe about the menu screen.
https://twitter.com/WarnerArchive/status/515970346277560320

Thinking of the possible release date... Hmm, considering Season 1's Blu-Ray was announced July 21 and it came out in August 12, maybe the Invasion Blu will come out in October 14 or 21.

 

[TheSkeletonMan93]

If that's true, it's far sooner than I'd expected.

I hope the special features are actually decent.

 

[the greenman]

At LBCC, WAC announced there will be a Young Justice: Invasion Blu-Ray and it will have special features. But I'm sure some will gripe about the menu screen.
https://twitter.com/WarnerArchive/status/515970346277560320

Thinking of the possible release date... Hmm, considering Season 1's Blu-Ray was announced July 21 and it came out in August 12, maybe the Invasion Blu will come out in October 14 or 21.

*Sigh* Yeah, not going to complain about menu screen. ;P

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

*Must resist urge to complain about the menu screen*

 

[Yojimbo]

Two long standing questions answered courtesy of Mr. Weisman! Freddy Freeman has the A-06 designation and Mary Bromfield, A-07.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

For the record, the A's were
A-01 Lucas Carr
A-02 Catherine Cobert
A-03 Zatanna Zatara
A-04 Vandal Savage, Jason Bard (in Failsafe simulation), John Smith
A-05 Billy Batson
A-06 Freddy Freeman
A-07 Mary Bromfield
A-10 Mal Duncan
A-11 Adam Strange
A-12 Blue Beetle
A-13 Jay Garrick

So I suppose A-08 is Garfield Logan and 09 is either Blue Devil, Peacemaker or Jim Harper.

 

[Nygma]

Two long standing questions answered courtesy of Mr. Weisman! Freddy Freeman has the A-06 designation and Mary Bromfield, A-07.
Search Ask Greg : Gargoyles : Station Eight

For the record, the A's were
A-01 Lucas Carr
A-02 Catherine Cobert
A-03 Zatanna Zatara
A-04 Vandal Savage, Jason Bard (in Failsafe simulation), John Smith
A-05 Billy Batson
A-06 Freddy Freeman
A-07 Mary Bromfield
A-10 Mal Duncan
A-11 Adam Strange
A-12 Blue Beetle
A-13 Jay Garrick

So I suppose A-08 is Garfield Logan and 09 is either Blue Devil, Peacemaker or Jim Harper.

On that note, shouldn't A-14 have been Bart Allen/Impulse since they didn't know that his trip was one way? It doesn't make much sense to me for them to waste a B-designation like that on an unsure thing.

 

[the greenman]

Been a long time since I saw it, but wasn't Green Beetle given an A designation?

 

[Yojimbo]

I thought once the machine was shown to be non-functioning and Bart admitted he didn't know how to fix it, they was sussed out it was a one way trip and Impulse joined the Team officially.

Been a long time since I saw it, but wasn't Green Beetle given an A designation?

Nope. They didn't let him in any of their bases. They had meetings involving him at the Kent farm and S.T.A.R. Labs initially. Never at a base.

 

[Nygma]

I thought once the machine was shown to be non-functioning and Bart admitted he didn't know how to fix it, they was sussed out it was a one way trip and Impulse joined the Team officially.

Yes but before even knowing that, they would have to let Bart have AUTHORIZED ACCESS to even enter the cave again to use the time machine, since he was an intruder to begin with.