X-Men: TAS "Days of the Future Past, Parts 1 & 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

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Discuss this classic X-Men: The Animated Series episode!

Episode #11 - Days Of Future Past, Part 1
Original Airdate: 13th March 1993
A mutant named Bishop travels through time from 2055 AD to the present in order to stop a member of the X-Men from assassinating an important figure. But when he comes to the present he can't remember who the assassin is and turns to the X-Men for help.


Episode #12 - Days Of Future Past, Part 2
Original Airdate: 20th March 1993
The X-Men stop the time-traveling mutant named Bishop from shooting Gambit and travel to Washington after uncovering the Brotherhood's plans to assassinate Senator Kelly. There, the X-Men discover that Mystique has been posing as Gambit and is really the suspect that Bishop is after! Now, the X-Men must defeat Mystique and the Brotherhood in order to stop the chain of events that will lead to the desolate and violent future that Bishop came from.

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Very good 2 parter. We even got some memorable lines from the Cajn

ROUGE: Don't you ever get tired of hearing yourself talk?
GAMBIT: Not when I'm talkin' about you cher

It was nice seeing Beast in jail too. All too often in TV shows, you get a out of sight, out of mind feeling.

It was cool seeing the future (Jubilee dies in 2010! Not too soon enough! :p ) and old man Logan still fighting the good fight. Bishop kinda annoys me, though, but the episode wouldn't have worked without him.

I believe this was the episode that introduced the Brotherhood, who unlike in Evo, weren't as annoying as hell. Thank god. Not too fond of this Pyro, he looks like a complete tool.

Part 2 had a VERY cool ending with Prof X's watch stopping. "Because it's been magnatised"

This set up nicely for the season finale The Final Decison.
 

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Best episode

This two-parter is my favorite of the whole series. Close second would be "One Man's Worth". And agreed, they did a good job of showing other elements from other episodes. Overall, season 1 plays out like one big story.

I have the entire season 1 on officially released import VCD except for the two Apocalypse episodes (because I could never find them). But DOFP is the prize of my X-Men video collection.

This story has everything I love about the X-Men in it. Especially Gambit & Rogue. The interaction between these two in the story seems so natural that it's easy to forget they are fictional characters. I also liked the battle scenes. And the music when Nimrod first shows up in the present day is very ominous.

One odd thing I noticed about this episode, though. In the ending, when Bishop returns, they show Forge standing in front of a tube. The contents of the tube were different from the first time I saw it on live TV versus the rerun of the same episode:

In the original airing, the tube shows Wolverine's skeleton suspended in tube. I guess they were implying he died and this was his admantium remains. The second time it aired, they showed a generic robot skeleton suspended in the tube. My VCD shows the Wolverine skeleton, BTW. But why the change?
 

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Bones Justice said:
I have the entire season 1 on officially released import VCD except for the two Apocalypse episodes (because I could never find them). But DOFP is the prize of my X-Men video collection.
There is no such thing as an "official import VCD." What you have is an illegal bootleg.
 

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Great ep`s. It show the x-men don`t trust gambit no more then he trust them.
 

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BCVM22 said:
There is no such thing as an "official import VCD." What you have is an illegal bootleg.
Actually, there is. These were officially released for sale in another country. An illegal bootleg is something produced without the permission of the rights holder.

For example, the TV series "Crusade" is (or was) officially for sale overseas on VCD. Series creator J. Micheal Stracynski even confirmed that they were official in an interview.

Not that there aren't illegal bootlegs out there. If I was willing to buy those then I would have the entire series, not just some episodes. Unfortunately, they stopped releasing in order after season one and just released a few themed discs after that.

There was one VCD of the X-Men animated series released in the USA. It's the two-part episode "Night of the Sentinels". It was promoted as a video disc for use with the ill-fated CDI set-top box. VCD (or Video Disc, as it was also called) and the associated players bombed big time in the USA so they didn't release that many titles here. But in other countries, it has been a viable format and many studios recognize that. There are plenty of legal VCD's being produced around the world, just not in the USA.
 

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Here is my comic/cartoon comparison on the adaptation.

Days of Future Past (Uncanny X-Men#141-142) by Chris Claremont and John Byrne.

Similarities:
The basic premise is left intact.
-There is a future where Sentinels rule, where Mutants are hunted down, killed, or locked away in concentration camps.
-It is revealed that the key factor that led to this future was the assassination of Senator Robert Kelly by Mutants, leading to anti-Mutant hysteria.
-Wolverine is a survivor and fugitive, aged but no less a formidable force. Still, he dies.
-A plan is made to send a person to the past, to warn the X-Men of that era so they could stop the assassination (and change time).
-The assassination force is the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, led by Mystique and including Blob, Pyro, and Avalanche.
-The Brotherhood start their plan by attacking a congressional meeting by Kelly about the Mutant threat, where Professor Xavier is a speaker (his mutant power a secret).
-Informed, the X-Men come to the rescue and stop the Brotherhood
-Storm and Wolverine are X-members in both versions.
-During the battle, an X-Man finds a parent in Mystique.
-The assassination fails, the time-traveller returns to the future. In the end, the future remained the same (evidently, stopping the Kelly assassination created a different timeline and a new future for the X-Men of that past).

Differences
-The X-Men membership at the time. In the comic, it was Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, Angel, and Sprite (Kitty Pryde in an X-uniform). The cartoon has it Cyclops (who was taking a leave of absence in the comic), Storm, Wolverine, Gambit (not a member yet), Rogue (ditto), Jubilee (ditto), and Jean Grey (dead at the time).
-In the comic, Wolverine wasn't the only X-survivor in the future. Kate Pryde (middle-aged Kitty), Colossus, and Storm also survived (all died of course). Magneto was also present, as well as Rachel Summers, the daughter of Cyclops and Phoenix, who would later transport herself into the past and become an X-Man.
-Bishop wasn't in the comic story, nor was Forge. Kate Pryde was the time-traveller.
-The comic X-Men did not travel to the future. Although the New Mutants and Excalibur (with Rachel, Kitty, and Nightcrawler) did.
-The comic future had not used Nimrod yet. This advanced Sentinel would travel into the past and fight the X-Men.
-In the comic, there was no suspicion that the assassin was an X-Man, let alone Gambit. The cartoon adaptation is basing this on Bishop's comic position as a mutant from the future where most of the X-Men have been dead- killed by a traitor from within. Bishop accused Gambit of the crime, since he was the only survivor in the future (BTW, Gambit wasn't the X-Traitor in that story. It was an insane Professor Xavier. It was resolved).
-The method of time travel used in the comic didn't have a person physically go to the past. Instead, it had a telepath causing the mind of Kate Pryde to switch with the mind of Kitty Pryde at the time before the assassination.
-In the cartoon congressional meeting, Kelly questions Xavier about his school. The comic meeting had no such accusations, though Xavier was an important speaker.
-The comic Brotherhood also included Destiny, a blind mutant who can 'see' the future.
-The comic Mystique was her own woman, unlike the cartoon servant to Apocalypse. She did this on her own.
-In the comic, it was Nightcrawler who recognized a familial tie with Mystique, being both of blue-skin (it would be a while before it was revealed that she was his mother). In the cartoon, it was Rogue (in the comic, Rogue knew Mystique's blue form, and even worked for her Brotherhood of Evil Mutants shortly after the botched assassination. As a villainess, she kicked the butt out of the Avengers and the X-Men before she reformed).
-The comic had a subplot where the future X-Men tried to stop the Sentinels (before the other free nations declared Nuclear war). They failed- big time.
-The cartoon ended with Bishop returning to the future, only to see that nothing changed. The comic didn't end that way (though later issues like UXM#192 confirmed the unchangeable timeline)
-There was no kidnapping of Kelly by Magneto in the comic book. The master of Magnetism had his own plans (as revealed in a memorable issue in UXM#150)
-The cartoon Kelly became a reformed pro-Mutant. The comic Kelly remained steadfast in defense against the Mutant threat.

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Some differences left out, as well as comic related facts.

The comic version mention of all super beings being targeted by Sentinels, mutants or not (Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Avengers, Doctor Doom). The show on the other rarely dealt with Nonmutant Superhumans.

The one pulling the trigger in the comics was Destiny.


Days Of Future Past Colossus and Kitty were infact married (When their present day counterparts had romantic interests in each other).

Another survivor was Franklin Richards (Reed and Sue's son). He and Rachael Summers were a couple. Infact Hyperstorm (Fantastic Four villain) was son of Franklin and Rachael (From an alternate DOFP timeline).
 

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Antiyonder said:
The one pulling the trigger in the comics was Destiny.
I actually really liked this change to Mystique. I thought it was better for her to be an assassin. Not only does she have more ties to the X-Men group but she already proved herself to be a formidable foe. It also helps that Destiny wasn't introduced yet in the cartoon.
 

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Did I make some form of terrible miscalculation, or did Disney skip this?

(Incidentally, the link for the "The Final Decision" talkback doesn't work.)
 

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I'm just watching Part 1 of this episode now. Boy, you can tell just how much time has passed since this episode was made, since in the future it shows that Jubilee was killed in 2010.

Plus, just after Bishop arrives in the "1990's", he overhears two kids on the street saying that they are going to play a videogame on a videogame cartridge calledAssassin. Considering that the last videogame cartridge was released back around 2001 for the Nintendo 64, that line really dates the episode.

But, out of all 33 episodes that Disney's release so far, this has got to be my favorite story of the series.
 

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I always took the red-headed girl that met up with Wolverine before Bishop showed up to be Rachel, though her name was never mentioned...
 

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I actually really liked this change to Mystique. I thought it was better for her to be an assassin. Not only does she have more ties to the X-Men group but she already proved herself to be a formidable foe. It also helps that Destiny wasn't introduced yet in the cartoon.

I don't really have a preference either way, but I figured I'd list it as a factual difference.

Upon reading the comic version and watching the televised version recently, another major difference:

- Comic Blob recently was busted out of jail by Mystique, and was threatened into helping with the assassination attempt. Cartoon Blob was on the other hand willing to help from the start (But then it's revealed in A Rogue Tale that he was an associate of hers for quite sometime).
 

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Honestly? I've seen this one theme by Claremont re-hashed into meaninglessness in just about anything X-Men related.

I want to see a NEW idea, for a change...
 

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I was just watching this last night and noticed that in the real world we are in the year that Storm died: 2021. Then the next X-Men to die won’t be until 2032 when Jean Grey is killed.
 

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I was just watching this last night and noticed that in the real world we are in the year that Storm died: 2021. Then the next X-Men to die won’t be until 2032 when Jean Grey is killed.
I'd seen the screenshot posted around recently. I remember Jubilee's tombstone being posted around too when that date came.

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I was just watching this last night and noticed that in the real world we are in the year that Storm died: 2021. Then the next X-Men to die won’t be until 2032 when Jean Grey is killed.
I'm pretty sure Cyclops was also killed in the same year as Jean.
 

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