"Venom: Let There Be Carnage" News & Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

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Idk, I thought it was obvious they wanted to go with Carnage on a murder spree next. But I guess the real reason, they want their other movies to succeed, too, and they're focusing on them at the expense of making any headway on a script for Venom 2.
Actually now that we know Pascal's statement is a TOTAL LIE (the reason they're going with Serkis as a director is because Ruben Fletcher is busy with Zombieland 2 likely for the rest of the year and it's clear they want to start filming this movie BEFORE 2020 starts) it's pretty clear this wasn't a statement made to hint at them wanting to work on other movies first (as it was made after Morbius was in post production) but rather one of those "diversionary non answers" execs make when they don't have a direct answer to a question yet. Pretty clear that Sony does want to keep moving forward with the hits they have while making other ones but were still figuring out the plan for that and didn't want to appear they had no answer so came up with that to stall for time. Now that they have an answer though we'll likely hear more casting and plot details about this before it goes into production likely around October/November at latest. Which could still be a very good move for them... or could be a bad one. For example...


It’s easy to forget Iron Man 2 was only the third MCU film only two years after Iron Man. Strike while the iron is hot.
It's even easier to forget that was NOT Marvel's original plan whatsoever for the first phase of the MCU and it could be argued in some ways that was actually a BAD decision for them to have made. See the original plan of Phase One was to make a movie out of everyone they wanted for the original line up of the Avengers. Which meant an Iron Man movie, Incredible Hulk Movie, Thor Movie, Captain America movie, and an Ant Man movie. In fact Ant Man was supposed to have been the third movie made after Iron Man and Incredible Hulk but due to issues with Edgar Wright and his team still trying to figure out the logistics of how to make an Ant Man movie work (that obviously always clashed with someone at Marvel's vision of the film, coughcoughIkePerlmutterbecauseIcanprobablytraceeveryreallybaddecisionMarvelmadeatthetimetohimcoughcough, thus why Edgar eventually left the project) and the fact the Incredible Hulk had actually been a pretty big box office disappointment, they decided to strike on the only hit they had at the time with Iron Man 2. Which now with nearly a decade of hindsight behind us, could be argued as a bad call. Yeah that film introduced Black Widow (since the plan of Ant Man being scrapped for Phase one were out they wanted a female Avenger as originally Wasp was going to be introduced in Avengers 1 but you can't really have a Wasp without Ant Man so they decided to save that character and go with two more grounded Avengers to probably save on budget thus why Black Widow and Hawkeye wound up becoming the 5th and 6th Avengers) and was still profitable but it was considered a major step down from the first movie and with all the subplots crammed in annoyed people with the idea of a cinematic universe that felt like it had already become massively bloated even so early into it's run. Granted it wasn't seen at the time as a Batman v Superman level disaster but it was a bump that probably also affected how people saw Thor and Captain America which were also hits but still not to the degree of the first Iron Man nor did they earn anywhere near the recognition of that film. It was only the Avengers that really got everyone back on board of the idea of a cinematic universe and of all of these characters interacting again that really cemented the MCU as a model really worth paying attention too.

What does this have to do with Venom? Well it shows that yeah even if your first super hero film is a major success that rushing to strike while the iron is hot with the second can be a pretty bad idea. I mean if you have a solid idea or a place to go or put it in the hands of the right people it can work. Obviously the MCU would get that with Captain America Winter Soldier and after that film sequels in the MCU actually started rising to a much higher bar then they had previously, but doing a sequel is still tricky and not something to rush. It is possible if Sony actual backs away to allow Serkis and even Hardy to make the movie it will be a lot better then the first or at the very least more interesting but Sony especially with the live action Spider Man related movies has a habit of trying to executive force a lot of ideas or thoughts in that really hurt a movie more then help it, and just wanting to rush out a second Venom will probably do more damage for the brand. Since yeah just bringing the character back isn't going to work again in terms of getting high box office... I argue it shouldn't of worked the first time but you need something defintley more this time around to sell people so let's hope the team can lock that down before they start filming this thing.
 

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I'm not saying it's a bad idea as for all we know this movie could work and not only actually be very profitable, but even of higher quality then the first film. What I am saying though is that rushing out a sequel just to capitalize on a film could backfire on them and unlike Marvel, Sony doesn't really have the time or interest to make do with a failure right now. And that a bad movie is going to hurt them financially because you can't pull off another Venom like horribly critically performing movie again and expect audience adoration if the overall product is a rushed out mess. Again it COULD work just pointing out rushing out a sequel isn't always the best idea which even the MCU seems to have realized since sans Spider Man (which is a Sony product anyway) they didn't try rushing out two movies of the same franchise in one phase again. Since Infinity War and Endgame are two halves of the same story.
 

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*Sighs* Okay let's face it: the ONLY reason they didn't have Eddie tell Ann that Venom is still alive and he's still bonded for him was for it to be a plot point/source of drama in the sequel; there's going to be at least one scene where she finds out and is angry at him and the two argue and blah blah blah that is so stupid and pointless yet one of those time wasting subplots studios like to throw on blockbusters because it's easy they still show up despite everyone always seeing them coming. So yeah that's dumb; however if Michelle Williams even a bit jokingly is talking about more time as She Venom I would be for that. Like yeah get through that BS that'd be a fun and unique gimmick especially for this kind of super hero movie; having the super form be something you can have passed from one member of the couple to the other and maybe at the end they could find a way to use it in tandem. I mean if they're chucking out so much else about the Venom mythos why not that? I mean it would make sense if you had two Venoms be able to take on Carnage, just saying.
 
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