Toonzai/Toonzaki Speculation Thread

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Not a Nielson expert, however I think you are referencing the ratings for Kids 6-11. In that instance .1 = 24,700 kids (If it is the HH rating, then .1 = 115,700 people). It is essentially the percentage of people (or demo) who are watching tv at a particular time.
So a 1.3 means about 325,000 kids watched DBZ Kai.

Now look at the latest Nicktoons's ratings from that same Saturday:

Live + Same Day Ratings Kids Cable Network Averages (000) for Saturday, September 4, 2010, 6am-11pm, ranked by K2-11:
NICKELODEON: K2-11 1213; K6-11 802; TWEENS 9-14 598
DISNEY CHANNEL: K2-11 1209; K6-11 849; TWEENS 9-14 725
CARTOON NETWORK: K2-11 605; K6-11 402; TWEENS 9-14 289
DISNEY XD: K2-11 181; K6-11 131; TWEENS 9-14 93
NICKTOONS: K2-11 134; K6-11 93; TWEENS 9-14 68
Source: MTVN Research from Nielsen Media Research Data
The average ratings for the 6-11 age demo on Nicktoons was 93,000 kids, compared to a total average rating of 0.9% or 225,000 kids for Toonzai that Saturday (Kai itself had approximately 325,000 viewers). Which likely means there are a large number of kids seeing DBZ Kai on Toonzai for the first time.
 

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The full list of stuff to be up tommorow is on Toonzaki's facebook page.

Yay! The original Yu-Gi-Oh IS going to be streamed on Toonzaki!!

I knew I didn't mishear it in the interview...
 

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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toonzaki/373641529547?ref=ts#!/topic.php?uid=373641529547&topic=15922
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I'm pretty sure it'll be the dub version of Yu-Gi-Oh!, but hopefully I'm wrong. Doesn't look like they have Viz on board anymore though...looks like it's mostly FUNi stuff.
 
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Wow.

Absolutely nothing you can't easily find elsewhere. Sans possibly uncut and/or subbed Yu-Gi-Oh! GX and/or Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds

Well, so much for the hype.
 

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Well yeah, they already said at launch they'd only have stuff from Hulu and some bonus 4Kids stuff. The idea is to add more exclusive content as the site gains traction (hence why they're asking for fan input on Facebook):
Toonzaki said:
Initially we will have a large portion of content via the Hulu syndication service. We will also have some addition 4Kids episodes which are currently not online. We have a little of the chicken/egg conundrum where partners are waiting for site performance.

We want the support of the entire anime fanbase, however most know where to hunt down their favorite titles (legally hopefully). Toonzaki will expand the audience to those fans who may be a little less "fanatical" but still would enjoy these titles if they discover them. Building upon that success we should be able to expand the scope of the content available here and on partner sites as well.
 

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It's a good start and pretty much in line with the "hype" for the site so far. It's not just leftovers either since they have multiple simulcasts. Well, if the site gets more people to see some good shows, then more power to it. Hopefully they'll get some unique stuff up before too long.

I'll consider cataloging all this in the streaming thread when convenient.
 

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Do we know if the site goes live at midnight or not? I might watch an episode of 5D's if it's up (and subbed) before I go to sleep.
 
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'Hype' was the wrong word for me to use. In essence, it was a shorthand for what I was truly thinking: what is the point? Save for two of their own titles everything else is available from other (more known) sites. I hope something worthwhile turns things around soon 'cause otherwise I don't really see this being a financially viable enterprise for them. They're likely paying money to sub-license these other titles out from the rights holders...which is going to cost them a pretty penny.
 

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Do we know if the site goes live at midnight or not? I might watch an episode of 5D's if it's up (and subbed) before I go to sleep.

Nope, it'll go live sometime during the day tomorrow.

'Hype' was the wrong word for me to use. In essence, it was a shorthand for what I was truly thinking: what is the point? Save for two of their own titles everything else is available from other (more known) sites. I hope something worthwhile turns things around soon 'cause otherwise I don't really see this being a financially viable enterprise for them. They're likely paying money to sub-license these other titles out from the rights holders...which is going to cost them a pretty penny.

They've also mentioned drawing the attention of older 4Kids TV/Toonzai viewers, using their own shows as they main draw.

This is how Mark Kirk summed it up in the ANN interview: say you have an 8-year old who loves watching Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's or Sonic X on Toonzai every Saturday. As they grow older, they learn the TV version is edited, so they decide seek out the uncut version and land at Toonzaki. Once there, they learn all about these other awesome cartoons they never knew about before and dive into the huge library of shows. So that's "the point" of the site right now, but as they've mentioned, they want to cater to all fans by adding more exclusive content once the site gets rolling.
 

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Aren't all of those shows being streamed at like other places?
 

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Well, no big surprises here.

I might be inclined to check out the rest of the Yu-Gi-Oh series if they're subbed and the media players aren't as taxing on my laptop as Funi's are, but I sincerely hope they can get some nice exclusives soon.
 

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Nope, it'll go live sometime during the day tomorrow.

They've also mentioned drawing the attention of older 4Kids TV/Toonzai viewers, using their own shows as they main draw.

This is how Mark Kirk summed it up in the ANN interview: say you have an 8-year old who loves watching Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's or Sonic X on Toonzai every Saturday. As they grow older, they learn the TV version is edited, so they decide seek out the uncut version and land at Toonzaki. Once there, they learn all about these other awesome cartoons they never knew about before and dive into the huge library of shows. So that's "the point" of the site right now, but as they've mentioned, they want to cater to all fans by adding more exclusive content once the site gets rolling.

Yep. And that 8-year-old isn't visiting Anime News Network (a very big "hub" for video content now) and probably isn't digging deep into Hulu. So yeah, it's redundant....but it isn't if you take my meaning.
 
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I'm not entirely sure I buy Kirk's logic. I should say...don't kids know what Google is? Aren't they going to learn about these things elsewhere?

Does 4Kids really have the patience (have they ever had any?) to keep this sort of enterprise going this long?

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Aren't all of those shows being streamed at like other places?

Save maybe subbed Yu-Gi-Oh!...yeah, pretty much.
 
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I'm not entire sure I buy Kirk's logic. I should say...don't kids know what Google is? Aren't they going to learn about these things elsewhere?

Does 4Kids really have the patience (have they ever had any?) to keep this sort of enterprise going this long?

Some kids do discover more all on their own. Many don't, and existing services have basically reached out to already-committed fans during their very short lives to date. So yeah, there's an audience out there waiting to be reeled in. As for the patience bit, meh, that just sounds like second-guessing for its own sake. A year from now, the site is still going to be there so long as it's doing reasonably well. Hopefully it does well enough for their plans to go as intended.
 
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I think if Toonzaki is promoted on 4Kids.tv, they can get a pretty big initial audience. There's actually quite a few kids on the 4Kids forums who are aware that the shows they see on TV is edited. Not sure if 4Kids could do that since a lot of the material on TZ won't be appropriate for kids of that age, but maybe if they put a disclaimer...
 

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