The "The Spectacular Spider-Man" News & Discussion Thread, Part 6 (Spoilers)

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Oh I know the rumor he gave me was false but you seemed to misunderstand what I said. I said "Also" Cartoon Network. Meaning the false rumor this guy is spreading is that Spectacular Spider-man season two will air on both Disney XD and Cartoon Network. I mean I was not fooled for a second but there are other people on this site I go to who actually believed him.
 
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I just got done watching the entire season of the Spectacular Spiderman. While I like where it's going with it's story, it just really left me disspointed.

The good things about this show is the action as it flows really well when we see Spider-Man. Then there is the ongoing story which well made for a kid's cartoon along with the characters interactions.

Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one.

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end.

Lastly, the fights on the last 2 episodes were very disappointing. The whole battle of the minds comes off as cheesy but I guess it's acceptable. Though I think that they shouldn't dragged it out that long. Then there was the final battle with Venom that was a total cop out when Peter says "I give up you can have me." and then the symbiote is like "Let me see? Yeah I"ll bond with Peter even though he tried to get rid of me before and this is obviously a trap". That fight couldv'e ended on a better note than that.

So overall it's a ok series but, with it's problems I mentioned above is keeping me from enjoying this series. Since it doesn't keep me interested that from enjoying this show any futher I'll give it a 5/10.
 

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Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one..
Ever been to Manhattan? Everyone is white except for one editor at a newspaper and his son... NYC has only two non-Caucasians.

And yeah, Ned, Sally and Liz... they were 100% accurate to the comics in the movies, weren't they?

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end..
Yeah, those hacks Stan Lee and Steve Ditko... how dare they do that in the comics. Rubbish.

So, you're saying you wouldn't like a girl with a personality that didn't look decent?

Lastly, the fights on the last 2 episodes were very disappointing. The whole battle of the minds comes off as cheesy but I guess it's acceptable. Though I think that they shouldn't dragged it out that long. Then there was the final battle with Venom that was a total cop out when Peter says "I give up you can have me." and then the symbiote is like "Let me see? Yeah I"ll bond with Peter even though he tried to get rid of me before and this is obviously a trap". That fight couldv'e ended on a better note than that..
Yeah, stupid David Michiline and Todd McFarlane for doing that in the comics. What did they know?

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Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one.

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end.
For the first one, Greg Weisman made it a personal goal to only use characters from the comics. That means, every single character, as long as they have a name or speaking role, is straight from the comics. Plus, most of Spidey's supporting characters are white, but this isn't the 50's or 60's where only whites were important characters. The ethnic changes where done to change the ethnicity of some of these characters WITHOUT altering their personalitis. Liz Allen is still the popular cheerleader who like Pete, only Puerto Rican. Ned Leeds/Lee is still a curious reporter at the Bugle, only Asian and a slightly different last name. The only change that was done to Sally was the color of her hair, but her witchy personality remains. I don't see the big deal just because their names are different.

As for the second one, Pete may be the hero and all, but he still makes mistakes. Like most teenage boys, he's going to be shallow, and like all shallow teenagers, he's going to equate "great personality" with "uglyness". Also, that was taken from Mary Jane's introduction in the early comics. I thought it was well done.

EDIT: Grrr. Greg beat me to it!
 
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Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one.
As others have said, they wanted a Spidey world that isn't 90% Caucasian, also there would be the same complaints if they'd just done new characters. About how it's uncreative and stupid, it also avoids the awkwardness of "have you met my friend, Jonny Token?" to introducing these new characters.

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end.
It's not that he doesn't want a girl with a personality, although he's a teenage boy so I don't think it' on his top priorities, but the joke is that whenever someone describes a potential date as "having a wonderful personality" it implies that her looks aren't worth talking about. That was the joke, as everyone knows what MJ looks like thanks to the movies, so we get the added joke of knowing Pete marries that girl and is scared to even see her at first.

Lastly, the fights on the last 2 episodes were very disappointing. The whole battle of the minds comes off as cheesy but I guess it's acceptable. Though I think that they shouldn't dragged it out that long. Then there was the final battle with Venom that was a total cop out when Peter says "I give up you can have me." and then the symbiote is like "Let me see? Yeah I"ll bond with Peter even though he tried to get rid of me before and this is obviously a trap". That fight couldv'e ended on a better note than that.
That's how the very first Venom fight ended in the comics, the symbiote tried to bond with "it's first love" again and failed. While it's obviously a stupid thing to do, to get back together with the person who has just rejected you, but it does happen and ends in heartbreak.
 

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I just got done watching the entire season of the Spectacular Spiderman. While I like where it's going with it's story, it just really left me disspointed.

The good things about this show is the action as it flows really well when we see Spider-Man. Then there is the ongoing story which well made for a kid's cartoon along with the characters interactions.

Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one.

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end.

Lastly, the fights on the last 2 episodes were very disappointing. The whole battle of the minds comes off as cheesy but I guess it's acceptable. Though I think that they shouldn't dragged it out that long. Then there was the final battle with Venom that was a total cop out when Peter says "I give up you can have me." and then the symbiote is like "Let me see? Yeah I"ll bond with Peter even though he tried to get rid of me before and this is obviously a trap". That fight couldv'e ended on a better note than that.

So overall it's a ok series but, with it's problems I mentioned above is keeping me from enjoying this series. Since it doesn't keep me interested that from enjoying this show any futher I'll give it a 5/10.
I heartily disagree, but you have your own opinion, and I respect that. By the way, welcome to Toon Zone.
 

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I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes.
So, if I'm understanding correctly, the very act of dipping the paintbrush into a different shade of fleshtone and applying it to the drawn image of a character (who's personality has little or nothing to do with race) not only irrevocably alters that character, but sends a subliminal message to writers that they must become hacks, and write minorities as shallow ethnic stereotypes.

How is this possible? Is a character's behavior supposed to be viewed through the prism of race, first and formost? Is it that the trauma of seeing a non-white skintone causes whites to universalize a given character's behavior to an entire ethnicity?

Well gee, I guess Liz is a stereotype, now that I, as a white woman, think on it. Everybody knows that Peurto Ricans are so....cheerleadery, what with the pompoms and the needing tutoring and breaking up with jerks and the hots for science nerds. And those Asians, with their enthusiastic reportage on vigilantes, and crushing noobs on high-school football teams! Oh, you know those types, always doing that type of stuff. That stuff only those people do. [/sarcasm]
 

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That's how the very first Venom fight ended in the comics, the symbiote tried to bond with "it's first love" again and failed. While it's obviously a stupid thing to do, to get back together with the person who has just rejected you, but it does happen and ends in heartbreak.

Well, actually that was how their SECOND fight ended. The first one Peter just outsmarted Venom by making it use up most of its strength making webbing (it made webbing out of its' own mass so if it used up too much the symbiote would only be a small patch on Brock.). The second time around he used the "you wanted me come and get me" thing.
 

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That's how the very first Venom fight ended in the comics, the symbiote tried to bond with "it's first love" again and failed. While it's obviously a stupid thing to do, to get back together with the person who has just rejected you, but it does happen and ends in heartbreak.
A prime example of truth in fiction. When you get right down to it, the symbiote is really just Peter's psycho ex-girlfriend; totally incapable of just moving on.
 
I just got done watching the entire season of the Spectacular Spiderman. While I like where it's going with it's story, it just really left me disspointed.

The good things about this show is the action as it flows really well when we see Spider-Man. Then there is the ongoing story which well made for a kid's cartoon along with the characters interactions.

Now for the bad parts. I didn't like the stupid changes they made to certain characters like Liz Allen, Ned Leeds, Sally Avril, etc. They come off as cliche and uncreative. If the creators wanted to attract a diverse race demographic for thier show, then why didn't they just create new characters instead of changing the original characters into unoriginal sterotypes. The original characters worked well in the comics, the movies, and the old cartoons so why not in this one.

I also didn't like some of the drama moments it had, because it just comes of corny and stupid even for a kid show. Take for example, when Peter freaks out when Aunt May tries to introduce him to a girl next door with a personality. I don't understand why he's freaking out, I myself would love a girl with a personality (if she looks decent that is) instead of some hot girl with an attitude that your not going to be happy with in the end.

Lastly, the fights on the last 2 episodes were very disappointing. The whole battle of the minds comes off as cheesy but I guess it's acceptable. Though I think that they shouldn't dragged it out that long. Then there was the final battle with Venom that was a total cop out when Peter says "I give up you can have me." and then the symbiote is like "Let me see? Yeah I"ll bond with Peter even though he tried to get rid of me before and this is obviously a trap". That fight couldv'e ended on a better note than that.

So overall it's a ok series but, with it's problems I mentioned above is keeping me from enjoying this series. Since it doesn't keep me interested that from enjoying this show any futher I'll give it a 5/10.
So I'm getting that you are upset that they didn't completely alter the source material. Since your problem seems to be with the comics' stories rather than the show, I'll have to give your review a 1/10. :0)
 

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Well, actually that was how their SECOND fight ended. The first one Peter just outsmarted Venom by making it use up most of its strength making webbing (it made webbing out of its' own mass so if it used up too much the symbiote would only be a small patch on Brock.). The second time around he used the "you wanted me come and get me" thing.
I completely forgot about that, I don't know how I managed to mix the two up. Thanks for correcting my mistake.
 
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