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Showbuzz has released the ratings for every show except SAO now. We have yet another 300K+ drop from Super to MHA. This doesn't mean that MHA specifically is sucking so much as the post Dragonball show has a tendency to randomly have 300K drops. Boruto also did this when it was the post Dragonball slot. MHA will assuredly get higher ratings coming off of Family Guy than Super. Attack on Titan will probably also have drops that big on occasion. What we see is that when Super does higher than normal, in this case 875K+, it does not trickle down to other shows and non Dragonball anime seem to have a ceiling of a little over 600K.

Aside from that drop, other issues are the 88K drop between MHA and Neverland. JoJo outdid Clover this time, so it seems to be out of its ratings slump. The 78K drop for Boruto is another bad week for the show and it can't seem to catch a break. HunterXHunter beat Boruto again and it's amazing how the show has done consistently great for it's slot since the election arc began. Amazing how much the pecking order has changed when Boruto was the second most watched show and HunterXHunter was the least watched. Deathsloting HunterXHunter has actually helped it a lot while the later slot has killed Boruto.

Edit. This just in, we have the SAO numbers and the demographic numbers now. SAO actually did much better than usual, beating Promised Neverland in the demo. I guess getting to the meat of the action has helped it a lot. JoJo also beat Neverland, which is really embarrassing for the show. JoJo may have large dips in the total viewers department, losing an average of 37K total viewers over the last three weeks, but it lost only 8.3K in the demo. It's obvious that the kids are bailing out probably due to violent content. Almost deathslotting JoJo really doesn't make sense when it's only problem was retaining kid viewers. Boruto, on the other hand, has lost an average of 31K over the last three weeks. JoJo is clearly outdoing Boruto and Boruto has been doing really bad, being one of the weakest shows in the ratings. Still don't know why it's struggling so much in its new timeslot.


11:00Dragon Ball Super8750.41552
11:30My Hero Academia5560.27320
12:00aThe Promised Neverland4680.21268
12:30aSword Art Online: Alicization4560.21276
1:00aJojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable4140.21271
1:30aBlack Clover3990.19250
2:00aBoruto: Naruto the Next Generations3210.15198
2:30aNaruto: Shippuden3010.14181
3:00aHunter X Hunter3300.16204
3:30aAttack on Titan (r)2620.12159
 
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Toonami just shockingly reached way below normal numbers. Super below 700K. MHA's streak of losing 250K+ viewers continues. Promised Neverland did actually succeed in only losing 45K, but the block as a whole was way down. JoJo had a week of bad total viewer retention and demo retention. Losing 63K total viewers and 30K demo viewers is pretty bad. It usually only loses about 10K in the demo or so. Black Clover beats JoJo again. Boruto continues its streak of bad ratings, losing 69K viewers. It lost to HunterXHunter yet again.

* A note about HunterXHunter. Same day viewing ratings seem to count for shows that start at 3 AM, inflating the ratings by including DVR numbers. Despite this, One Piece never benefited from it, which seems to indicate that One Piece was a flop. Shippuden obviously benefited when it was in that slot and beat shows on a regular basis too. Still, I would think a big name show like Boruto could outdraw HunterXHunter's numbers anyway. Boruto's ratings collapse since its timeslot move is nothing short of inexplicable. As for HunterXHunter, the rating inflation is hard to determine how its doing. The constant moving of it down was more to do with Toonami's practice of "new acquisitions take priority over pre-existing long runners (except Dragonball)." It was a consistent million viewer hit before it was pushed behind Iron Blooded Orphans. The more stuff Toonami got, the further it got pushed. It definitely got a raw deal as it's ratings were great not counting the chimera ant arc slump. Because it's the only show on Toonami that won't get more seasons, it makes sense to deathslot it because the HunterXHunter well of episodes will run dry with no further seasons.

11:00 Dragon Ball Super 661 0.31 398
11:30 My Hero Academia (r) 408 0.19 245
12:00a The Promised Neverland 363 0.17 214
12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 334 0.16 206
1:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable 271 0.14 176
1:30a Black Clover (r) 291 0.14 182
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 222 0.10 132
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 236 0.11 142
3:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 248 0.12 156
3:30a Attack on Titan (r) 218 0.10 134
 

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Top 150 ratings are out and we see interesting things. Super managed to chart in the top 5, albeit with numbers barely above 600K. MHA probably struggled in its new timeslot. Promised Neverland's retention has improved significantly in the past two weeks, but Toonami in general getting lower numbers has something to do with it. It seems we have learned from Demarco's statement on Pop Team Epic that non action shows have a lower bar to clear so there's hope it will get season 2 to air next year. JoJo's recovered in demographic retention, although it almost always has a big drop in total viewers. My hypothesis that it's the kids who tune out seems more and more correct. The overall numbers look awful compared to other weeks, but those chart positions, with 5 top 25 shows, is really good. The only real stinker is Boruto, which did the worst it's ever done at barely over 200K and it probably lost a lot from Black Clover.

#4 Super: 610,000 .29
#10 Attack on Titan 439,000 .22
#17 Promised Neverland 398,000 .20
#20 SAO 379,000 .19
#21 JoJo 330,000 .19
#55 Boruto 210,00 .11
 

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Full ratings and surprises await. It appears that Adult Swim as a whole tanked, with Family Guy only getting 590K. MHA's 176K drop from Family Guy is pretty staggering, though. Super's ability to go gain 196K viewers from MHA still really impressive. It appears that MHA is doing significantly worse in the leading slot than the last time it got the lead slot. Maybe you can blame Memorial Day for this or another anomaly or the fact that the schedule change was again advertised at the very last minute. This week's weirdest anomaly is Black Clover dropping hard from JoJo. It actually had a bigger demo drop than even Boruto and had a very similar drop in total viewers. HunterXHunter continually beats Boruto and was in arms reach of Black Clover. It seems like DVR viewers are only part of the story as HunterXHunter is doing better than even Shippuden did in that slot. Boruto getting beat down by Shippuden and HunterXHunter has been pretty embarrassing. Will ratings recover when people become in the know about the new schedule and there are no holidays to interfere? What was up with Black Clover this week?

10:30 My Hero Academia 414 0.19 251
11:00 Dragon Ball Super 610 0.29 378
11:30 Attack on Titan 439 0.22 287
12:00a The Promised Neverland 398 0.20 255
12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 379 0.19 249
1:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable 330 0.19 242
1:30a Black Clover (r) 265 0.14 184
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 210 0.11 147
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 232 0.12 160
3:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 250 0.13 172
 

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Toonami's hit the worst ratings ever and this schedule change might be just as bad as the prime time experiment. Super was barely over 500K and didn't gain as many viewers from MHA as last week. Last week Attack on Titan beat out MHA and this week it was the other way around. I wonder which show is going to win the ratings battle. New Attack on Titan in theory should be easily streamable MHA. It looked like Promised Neverland is rebounding, but it's fallen again and SAO and JoJo beat it in the demo. Black Clover has had a significant drop for the second week in a row and that is worrisome. What is causing its slump? For once Boruto had a less bad drop, dropping fewer than 50K in the demo when it's dropped like that for quite a few weeks. It actually tied with HunterXHunter in the demo and only narrowly lost in total viewers. A very bad week overall and it is obvious that MHA is failing compared to how the second Family Guy did. This week, Family Guy had 617K views and MHA lost 152K viewers. MHA seems to really struggle retaining viewers from previous shows, be they Dragonball or Family Guy. When HunterXHunter ends, we'll probably see Super as the lead show again with Family Guy taking MHA's slot and MHA being moved after Super and/or Titan, with every show after that shifted down. Expanding Toonami and removing Family Guys seem to kill ratings.

10:30 My Hero Academia (r) 465 0.19 249
11:00 Dragon Ball Super 529 0.24 315
11:30 Attack on Titan 376 0.17 223
12:00a The Promised Neverland 310 0.14 183
12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 322 0.15 194
1:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable 271 0.14 186
1:30a Black Clover (r) 238 0.13 167
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 206 0.11 136
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 190 0.10 124
3:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 211 0.11 136
 

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Yeah, they really should have shifted Super to 10:30 and put MHA at 11. And it was silly to sacrifice a Family Guy rerun instead of one of the Rick & Mortys (which aren't doing so hot anymore, likely because people are tired of watching the same 30 episodes over and over again, surprise surprise).

Keep 10:30, add more Family Guy, swap Super and MHA, and things should return to normal. Hopefully they try this, and don't do another massive schedule rehaul.

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I'm curious, how did you find out that ratings after 3:00 include same-day numbers? Are we just speculating here, or did we get official confirmation of this somewhere?
 
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Top 150 ratings are out. It appears that with only one Family Guy before Toonami, Super's ratings are capped at a little over 600K. It's still able to chart in the top 5, so I wonder if the significant loss of total viewers is a problem when it's still charting high. Promised Neverland couldn't crack the top 25 this week, but made it to number 40 and lost 52K viewers. Granted, not only did Pop Team Epic's overall numbers look pretty bad, but it also couldn't make it to the top 25 very often, just like Promised Neverland. It appears that the standards are lowered for chart positions as well as overall viewership numbers when it comes to non action anime. The question is if it crossed the bar for it to get season 2 aired?

#5 Super: 630K
#19 Attack on Titan 413,000
#40 Promised Never 361,000
#42 SAO 378,000
#44 JoJo 348,000
#53 Boruto 279,000
 

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Full ratings time with Family Guy lead in. It looks like MHA will always have a significant drop from Family Guy whereas Super retained much better from Family Guy when it was directly after it. Speaking of which, Super still gained 144K viewers from MHA and beat Family Guy this week. With this new schedule, Super's beaten Family Guy two out three weeks even with MHA in the middle lowering ratings significantly. JoJo very good demographic retention, losing only 5K viewers, but lost significantly more in total viewers. I think it's done well enough for part 5 as the target demo is watching, but not the kids. It looks like Black Clover's rebounded, beating JoJo in total viewers and only losing 8K to it in the demo. It will completely murder Lupin in the ratings. Boruto drops big again and loses to Shippuden and HunterXHunter in the demo.

9:30 Family Guy 601 0.28
10:30 My Hero Academia (r) 486 0.21 277
11:00 Dragon Ball Super 630 0.31 405
11:30 Attack on Titan 413 0.19 247
12:00a The Promised Neverland 361 0.16 205
12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 378 0.16 203
1:00a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable 348 0.15 198
1:30a Black Clover (r) 354 0.14 186
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 279 0.12 156
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 265 0.12 158
3:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 268 0.13 169
 

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Top 150 ratings. Super did really well as usual, ranking in the top 2 and we got another top 25 show, but a pretty big dip in the ratings. It doesn't matter what show is in the post Dragonball slot, but whatever's in that slot is guaranteed to have 200K+ losses. We haven't had a 300K+ loss with Attack on Titan like MHA has, but it seems inevitable and 225K is an ugly loss. Promised Neverland loses to SAO again, showing that audiences prefer action shows. The 91K drop from Sword Art Online to Lupin shows how niche Lupin seems to be and it's a surprise it wasn't deathslotted. Lupin at least maybe makes Boruto look better, or maybe it makes it look even worse because it can't even beat a ratings cancer show like Lupin in the demo.

#2 Super: 610,000
#22 Attack on Titan 386,000
#39 Promised Neverland 329,000
#33 Sword Art Online 327,000
#58 Lupin 236,000
#62 Boruto 242,000
 

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Full ratings. Looks like Black Clover, as predicted also beat Lupin in total viewers. Boruto tied Black Clover in the total viewers, so maybe it is benefitting from Lupin flopping. The "flop effect" seems to be a phenomenon when shows whose ratings looked bad before a show that does worse comes along. SAO Alicization was like that before Promised Neverland came along and made it's ratings look much better as it struggled after Megalobox. HunterXHunter beats Lupin and shows what kind of powerhouse it is. Edit: the exact demo numbers just came and HunterXHunter beat the mighty Black Clover. How shocking.

10:30My Hero Academia5070.25326
11:00Dragon Ball Super6100.31405
11:30Attack on Titan3860.20255
12:00aThe Promised Neverland3290.16208
12:30aSword Art Online: Alicization3270.17225
1:00aLupin the Third: Part 52360.12158
1:30aBlack Clover2420.13162
2:00aBoruto: Naruto the Next Generations2420.12154
2:30aNaruto: Shippuden2370.12151
3:00aHunter X Hunter2430.13165
 
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Top 150 ratings are out and they don't look good. Super was the only top 25 show, charting at number 3, but it was under 600K again. I know that supposedly Toonami's okay because cable as a whole is down, but if that's the case, why is Toonami declining on the charts so much from back in the days when the whole block made the top 25. I guess the bar is probably lowered because if making the top 25 were a benchmark, Super and usually Titan would be the only successes. Based on the charts, Super is obliviously a monster hit. As usual, SAO beats Neverland. Lupin lost "only" 52K compared to the terrible loss it had last week and Boruto managed to actually beat it. Boruto seems to be benefiting from the Pop Team Epic/Promised Neverland/Lupin flop effect where a show's ratings look ugly until it comes after a show that does even worse, thus making the show look better by beating that show before it. Because of this effect, it's hard to say that SAO and Boruto are legitimately doing well.

#3 Dragonball Super 581,000
#30 Attack on Titan 349,000
#40 Promised Neverland 274,000
#39 SAO 286,000
#48 Lupin 234,000
#46 Boruto 225,000
 

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Full ratings and it looks like MHA had an off night. It seemed to have been trending upwards, but not tonight. Black Clover had a really strong gain on Lupin. Shockingly, HunterXHunter's finale flopped pretty badly being the least watched show even with the DVR bump. Why didn't people DVR the finale. Anyway, it's a small blemish on a great run, but it does seem like an ominous foreshadowing of Gundam's probably horrible performance in that slot.

10:30My Hero Academia4240.17
11:00Dragon Ball Super5810.27
11:30Attack on Titan3490.16
12:00aThe Promised Neverland2740.13
12:30aSword Art Online: Alicization2860.13
1:00aLupin the Third: Part 52340.12
1:30aBlack Clover2560.13
2:00aBoruto: Naruto the Next Generations2250.12
2:30aNaruto: Shippuden2100.11
3:00aHunter X Hunter1890.10
 

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Full ratings time and there's a lot to digest in terms of the new schedule. MHA's failure to reach 500K has been a serious problem as it prevents Super from reaching 700K like it used to. Still, as I said before, I think it should have gone to the third slot instead of the last slot as this seems harsh. Nothing but Family Guy can do well at 10:30. Attack on Titan has had its biggest loss from Super yet, but it's still "only" 240K and it hasn't lost 300K+ like MHA has. It might be the least bad post Dragonball performer yet. Promised Neverland as usual for non action shows, lost a huge 89K from Titan and SAO beat it in totals and was within one of it in the demo. Makes me wonder if we'll see the same for Food Wars. Lupin actually had a pretty strong week in the demo, tieing SAO, although it lost a lot in the totals, but kids leaving is no big deal I think. Black Clover not beating Lupin seems pretty bad. I've heard that a bumper just mocked Black Clover fans for wanting it put up on the block. Maybe it's not doing as well as we thought? Except for outlier weeks like this, it usually spanks the competition. Speaking of spanking the competition, the HunterXHunter rerun still spanks Boruto. I'm wondering how MHA will perform in the deathslot, will it be like a HunterXHunter or will it be a Boruto.
10:00 Family Guy 548 0.24
10:30 My Hero Academia (r) 438 0.21 268 11:00 Dragon Ball Super 549 0.27 354
11:30 Attack on Titan 309 0.15 189
12:00a The Promised Neverland 242 0.12 153 12:30a Sword Art Online: Alicization 250 0.12 152
1:00a Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 217 0.12 152
1:30a Black Clover (r) 195 0.10 130
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 185 0.09 114
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 161 0.08 107
3:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 186 0.10 127
 

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Top 150 ratings and we have the worst ever. I would have thought that having Family Guy as Super's lead in would benefit the ratings, but it seems to have done even worse and again failed to reach 550K. Maybe MHA was a scapegoat for Super's numbers decreasing. It still charted in the top 5, but I think Adult Swim expects more when it reached almost 900K about two months ago. Attack on Titan barely made the top 50 and was below 300K, the lowest a post Super show has ever done, although I think Mob Psycho 100 still has the record for most viewers lost after Super. It looks like Showbuzz daily is having those random weeks where it thinks SAO is a rerun and maybe they think Boruto is a rerun too. the 100K drop from Titan to Lupin looks really bad and the sub 200K numbers are really bad. Food Wars lost to freaking Gundam in the demo, which is a badge of dishonor if there ever was one. This new schedule tanked the ratings to the worst it's ever been.

#5 Super: 529,000
#46 Attack on Titan: 266,000
#57 Lupin: 165,000
#64 Food Wars: 155,000
#62 Gundam: 154,000
 

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Well we have the full ratings now. It probably is the holiday weekend as even Family Guy tanked below 500K, which makes Super's performance look much better now. Things are just a mess in weirdness. SAO actually spanked Attack on Titan in the demo. Lupin was the show responsible for tanking the ratings with a huge 83K drop. No surprise that Black Clover beat the crud out of Food Wars, but losing to Boruto when that show is in a later timeslot is a first. Is Boruto starting to recover from a slump? Of course, we are seeing the flop effect, where it's ratings look so good because Food Wars and Lupin flopped. Shippuden's 35K drop is also pretty ugly and so is losing to Gundam. The almost 50K spike from Gundam to MHA shows that MHA is still one of the biggest shows and it's demotion was undeserved. Being the last show and still being the fourth highest rated show (5th in the demo) seems to indicate how strong of a show it is. Because the numbers themselves are so low, I don't know if this will be an outlier week or not or whether or not we'll see a schedule change, as deathslotting Lupin and Food Wars and moving up MHA looks to be the sensible move.
10:30 Family Guy 486 0.21
11:00 Dragon Ball Super 529 0.25 317
11:30 Attack on Titan 266 0.12 159
12:00a Sword Art Online: Alicization 248 0.13 171 12:30a Lupin the 3rd: Part 5 165 0.09 121
1:00a Food Wars (p) 155 0.09 112
1:30a Black Clover (r) 186 0.11 140
2:00a Boruto: Naruto Next Generations (r) 197 0.11 144
2:30a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 162 0.09 110
3:00a Mobile Suit Gundam: Red Comet (p) 154 0.09 114
3:30a My Hero Academia (r) 201 0.11 142
 

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While it was most likely compounded with the July 4th weekend, not promoting the new lineup certainly didn't help matters. That has been an issue for quite sometime, but it seems to be getting worse. Despite wanting a more consistent lineup of shows, the Toonami crew sure does move shows around frequently and often without any promos to let people be aware of those changes.
 

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While it was most likely compounded with the July 4th weekend, not promoting the new lineup certainly didn't help matters. That has been an issue for quite sometime, but it seems to be getting worse. Despite wanting a more consistent lineup of shows, the Toonami crew sure does move shows around frequently and often without any promos to let people be aware of those changes.
Agreed. I know that's it's a bit difficult to rotate in shows with the large programming slate they have, but they really need to stop tweaking things and just stick with a general lineup that works, even if they are a few weeks of mediocre ratings. It looked like they had found that balance back in January with the shift back to 11. Ratings rebounded and stayed relatively consistent. Then April rolled around and they started meddling and shifting things around every couple weeks, which, by no surprise, has led us on this ratings roller coaster. They should have just left the basic order of the lineup it as it was pre-Promised Neverland and called it a day.

I would say a major schedule rehaul is once again in order, but again, they more they do that, the more people are going to get confused, and give up trying to catch their show. It a vicious cycle, and they kind of did it to themselves.
 
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While it was most likely compounded with the July 4th weekend, not promoting the new lineup certainly didn't help matters. That has been an issue for quite sometime, but it seems to be getting worse. Despite wanting a more consistent lineup of shows, the Toonami crew sure does move shows around frequently and often without any promos to let people be aware of those changes.
Speaking of which, Toonami hasn't aired a lineup promo at all since deathslotting MHA. I still think the lineup and the fact that casuals of the modern era would rather stream the subs than stay up at night to watch the dubs. Based on chart positions, Super is the only show that charts in that top 25 and if cable as a whole is down, that doesn't excuse poor chart performance. Of course, the fact that even some of the biggest anime out there, SAO and Attack on Titan, struggle in the charts show how little people are watching anime on cable nowadays.

The lineup itself is the bigger issue with Toonami's recent woes. Gundam, Lupin, and Food Wars are really niche properties. Boruto and Black Clover are probably the least liked shonen out there, with the latter having a sub par 7.07 score and the former with a ghastly 6.63, which is abysmal for a long running shonen. Those shows have their fans, but to many people they are viewer repellent. Sure Black Clover does better in the ratings than the Gundam, Lupin, and Food Wars, but that doesn't mean it's doing good in its own right. In Boruto's case, it was the bottom feeder of the block until Lupin came here. The fact that these shows are eternal is also driving viewers away. On the other hand, we are probably getting niche shows because the budget is running out to the point that they are getting a made for Internet show. The niche shows might be doing really low in the ratings, but Toonami probably can't afford MHA tier shows any more, with Demon Slayer being the only big name shonen on the slate.

The 2019 lineup is probably the most divisive ever. I'm still a dub watcher and Toonami is the only place for the Lupin dub and that's what's keeping me here, niche as that series is, but the eternal Black Clover and Boruto does seem like torture. Toonami is changing from the high end department store to the Big Lots, still able to survive, but offering inferior low budget products than its competitors (Funimation and Crunchyroll).
 

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Agreed. I know that's it's a bit difficult to rotate in shows with the large programming slate they have, but they really need to stop tweaking things and just stick with a general lineup that works, even if they are a few weeks of mediocre ratings. It looked like they had found that balance back in January with the shift back to 11. Ratings rebounded and stayed relatively consistent. Then April rolled around and they started meddling and shifting things around every couple weeks, which, by no surprise, has led us on this ratings roller coaster. They should have just left the basic order of the lineup it as it was pre-Promised Neverland and called it a day.

I would say a major schedule rehaul is once again in order, but again, they more they do that, the more people are going to get confused, and give up trying to catch their show. It a vicious cycle, and they kind of did it to themselves.
I can understand why they may want to move things around and it wouldn't be that much of a problem if they actually announced when these schedule changes happened on the air. They usually give about a week or two advanced notice online, but that doesn't help out the general audience who just watch the block and don't keep up with Toonami news, which I suspect is a larger portion of their audience than they may suspect.

They've definitely put themselves in this cycle, which is a big reason why I don't feel too sorry for the Toonami crew in this situation. They might have been able to avoid this if they provided better promos for the schedule changes. Even with their previous lineup promo, I only saw it on TV once or twice and I'm not sure if it aired during Toonami. Admittedly, since I don't watch a good chuck of Toonami, it is entirely possible that they aired during the later portions of the block, but I have my doubts that it happened.

Speaking of which, Toonami hasn't aired a lineup promo at all since deathslotting MHA. I still think the lineup and the fact that casuals of the modern era would rather stream the subs than stay up at night to watch the dubs. Based on chart positions, Super is the only show that charts in that top 25 and if cable as a whole is down, that doesn't excuse poor chart performance. Of course, the fact that even some of the biggest anime out there, SAO and Attack on Titan, struggle in the charts show how little people are watching anime on cable nowadays.
It's also pretty easy to watch My Hero Academia's dub on Funimation's site. The dub for the first two season was readily available by the time it started on Toonami and the third season's simulcast dub can be watched on Funimation Now. The same applies with most of Funimation's titles on Toonami, so that could contribute to Attack on Titan not doing well ratings wise. That and the show's popularity has greatly been reduced since the first season for various reasons.

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The lineup itself is the bigger issue with Toonami's recent woes. Gundam, Lupin, and Food Wars are really niche properties. Boruto and Black Clover are probably the least liked shonen out there, with the latter having a sub par 7.07 score and the former with a ghastly 6.63, which is abysmal for a long running shonen. Those shows have their fans, but to many people they are viewer repellent. Sure Black Clover does better in the ratings than the Gundam, Lupin, and Food Wars, but that doesn't mean it's doing good in its own right. In Boruto's case, it was the bottom feeder of the block until Lupin came here. The fact that these shows are eternal is also driving viewers away. On the other hand, we are probably getting niche shows because the budget is running out to the point that they are getting a made for Internet show. The niche shows might be doing really low in the ratings, but Toonami probably can't afford MHA tier shows any more, with Demon Slayer being the only big name shonen on the slate.
I'm not sure if it's a budget issue, or at least if that's the only factor. It might be more like a combination of budget issues and the struggle to get the airing rights to these shows in the mist of the streaming rights. There could be other big titles on the way that they haven't announced yet. Although, I'm not sure if Demon Slayer is really a big name shonen series.

PicardMan said:
The 2019 lineup is probably the most divisive ever. I'm still a dub watcher and Toonami is the only place for the Lupin dub and that's what's keeping me here, niche as that series is, but the eternal Black Clover and Boruto does seem like torture. Toonami is changing from the high end department store to the Big Lots, still able to survive, but offering inferior low budget products than its competitors (Funimation and Crunchyroll).
Oddly enough, Lupin's dub is one of the reasons why I'm still watching the block. I never thought that would be the case after how lukewarm I was on Part IV, but Part V thus far seems to be a massive improvement. That Big Lots comparison seems pretty appropriate. I don't watch as much on Crunchyroll as I like, but they do offer legal subs so fast and Funimation covers simulcast dubs for most of the big/popular series of the season.
 

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