Justice League Unlimited "Wake the Dead" Talkback (Spoilers)

[Fone Bone]

Must not shout... at people... for straying... off topic over.... and over... again[/strain]

Come on people. Talk about the episode or move it somewhere else.

This forum is for talk about DCU shows. This is not the place to discuss Bond, Buffy, plushies, actresses with beautiful skin, Star Trek, Angel or big ass irrelevant lists. This specific topic is about Wake The Dead.

Please stay on topic!

Here's a start...what else do you think Dr. Fate could be hiding from the JLU?

Could someone move my big ass irrelevant list to another thread?

I think b.t. and Dwayne McDuffie should be mods. Then EVERYTHING would be on-topic.

 

[bat313]

I don't remember that. Oh, yes I do. It was in The Zeta Project episode Shadows. So continuity goes like this:

Justice League: Maid of Honor (Vandal Savage is made immortal by a fallen meteor)

Justice League: Paradise Lost (Hippolyta begins an affair with Hades which ends with him being banished to the Underworld)

Justice League: The Terror Beyond: (Atlantis sinks underwater after a battle with Icthultu)

Justice League: Secret Origins (After battling the Imperium J'onn Jonnz is last survivor of the Martian race)

Justice League: A Knight in Shadows (Jason Blood is bonded to the Demon Etrigan)

Batman: Showdown (Jonah Hex goes up against Ra's Al Ghul)

Justice League: The Terror Beyond (Cyrus Gold is killed and his body is dumped in a mystical Swamp.)

Justice League: The Savage Time (The Justice League refights WWII to defeat Vandal Savage)

Justice League: Fury: (Aresia is brought to Themiscyra by a captain after surviving a war and a shipwreck. Conjecture)

Apokalips Now: Darkseid and Highfather exchange sons in New Genesis pact)

Justice League: The Terror Beyond (Solomon Grundy rises from the dead)

Superman: The Last Son of Krypton: Part 1 (Kryton explodes, Kal-El is last survivor; Brainiac saves himself, begins quest to collect information from the universe.)

Batman: Appointment in Crime Alley (Bruce witnesses his parents murder, is raised by Alfred Pennyworth the family Butler)

Superman: New Kids in town (Superman meets the Legion and fights Brainiac but his memories are erased)

Superman: The Last Son of Krypton Part 2: (Kal-El is rocketed to Earth and is adopted by Jonathon and Martha Keny. Clark learns his Krytonian heritage)

Batman: Night of the Ninja (Bruce is trained by Yoru Sensai)

Batman: Zantanna (Bruce is trained by Zatarra, Meets Zatanna)

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (flashbacks show Bruce becoming Batman)

Batman: Robin's Reckoning (Acrobat Dick Grayson is orphaned during a performance; Bruce Wayne takes him in as his ward)

Batman: Beware the Creeper: (The Joker is born when a mobster is accidently throw into a vat of acid battling Batman)

Batman: Mad Love (Harleen Quinzell is seduced into becoming the Joker's assistant Harley Quinn after treating him at Arkham)

Batman: On Leather Wings (earliest point in the DCAU modern continuity)

Batman: Pretty Poison (Batman meets Poison Ivy)

Batman: Two-Face (Harvey Dent becomes the villian Two-Face)

Batman: The Cat and the Claw (Batman meets Catwoman)

Batman: Heart of Ice (Batman learns that Mr. Freeze was transformed from a scientist into a villian)

Batman: Feat of Clay (Matt Hagen is turned into the creature Clayface)

Batman: Off Balance (Batman meets Talia)

Batman: Mudslide: (Clayface is apparantly killed battling Batman)

Batman: The Demon's Quest (Batman meets and battles Ra's Al Ghul)

Batman: Shadow of the Bat (Barbara Gordon becomes Batgirl)

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (Batman is reunited with true love Andrea Beaumont. Learns she is in fact the villian Phantasm)

Batman: Sideshow (Beginning of The Adventures of Batman and Robin)

Batman: Subzero (Mr. Freeze's wife Nora is revived)

Batman: Old Wounds (Dick Grayson gives up the mantle of Robin)

Superman: The Last Son of Krypton part 3 (Clark moves to Metropolis meets Lois and Luthor and becomes Superman)

Superman: Stolen Memories (Superman meets Brainiac and retrieves the orb containing Kryptonina knowledge.)

Superman: The Main Man: (Superman meets Lobo and puts the Preserver's alien zoo in his newfound Fortress of Solitude)

Superman: World's Finest (Batman and Superman meet and discover each other's secret identities)

Batman: Sins of the Father (Tim Drake Becomes the New Robin)

Batman: Growing Pains (Clayface returns)

Batman: Holiday Knights (first episode produced of The New Batman Adventures)

Superman: Apokalips Now! (Darkseid begins his first invasion of Earth)

Superman: Little Girl Lost (Superman finds his "cousin" in stasis near the planet Argos' remains; she takes up mantle of Supergirl)

Superman: In Brightest Day: (Kyle Rayner becomes Green Lantern after Abin Sur gives him a power ring as he dies)

Superman: A Fish Story (Superman meets Aquaman)

Superman: Legacy (Superman is brainwashed by Darkseid and attacks the Earth)

Static Shock: Flashback (Static's mother is gunned down in a riot in Dakota)

Justice League: Secret Origins (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Jonn Jonnz, Green Lantern (John Stewart), Hawkgirl, and Flash form the Justice League)

Justice League: The Enemy Below (Aquaman stops insurrection by his brother Orm but not before losing his hand)

Justice League: Injustice For All: (Lex Luthor is outed as a criminal and is diagnosed with Kryptonite poisoning; Ultra-Humanite builds a suit to contain the illness)

Static Shock: Shock to the System (The Big Bang happens and grants Virgil Hawkins electro static abilities. He takes up the mantle of Static)

Static Shock: The Big Leagues (Static meets Batman)

Static Shock: Hard as Nails (Batman discovers Virgil's identity and reveals his own to Static; Robin (Tim Drake) is with the Titans)

Static Shock: Gear: (Richie Foley discovers he has superpowers too and takes up the mantle of Gear)

Justice League: Twilight (Darkseid and Brainiac form an alliance to take down Superman. Brainiac is loaded into the Watchtower computer)

Justice League: Tabula Rasa (Amazo is used by Luthor and goes into the galaxy to seek knowledge)

Justice League: A Better World (Luthor helps the League take down the Justice Lords and is granted a full pardon; He is currently looking into politics)

Static Shock: A League of Their Own (Static meets the League as Brainiac is freed from the League's computer and takes over Gear.)

Justice League: The Terror Beyond (Solomon Grundy is killed in a battle with Ichthultu)

Static Shock : Future Shock: ( Static travels forward in time and meets Terry McGuiniss and his future self.)

Static Shock: Power Outage (The Big Bang is reversed for most of Dakota but Static and Gear retain their powers and are even given a considerable boost.)

Batman: Mystery of the Batwoman (conjecture)

Justice League: Starcrossed (The Thanagarians invade Earth and the league's identites are revealed to each other; Hawkgirl quits the league after her betrayal and subsequent treason to the Thanagarians)

Justice League Unlimited: Initiation (Green Arrow is witness to the reformation of the League)

Justice League Unlimited: Fearful Symmetry ( Supergirl and Green Arrow are witness to a government conspiracy)

Justice League Unlimited: The Return (Amazo returns to find out from Luthor the meaning of life; Dr. Fate grants him sanctuary and we learn Hawkgirl is living at his tower as well)

Justice League Unlimited: Wake the Dead (Solomon Grundy's corpse is raised from the dead again and Hawkgirl must put him down. She learns that she is free to rejoin the league anytime she likes.)

Return of the Joker flashback: (Joker mind-rapes Tim and is killed)

Batman Beyond: Rebirth (Bruce hangs up the cape and cowl. Terry becomes Batman; Derek Powers is doused with radiation poisoning)

Batman Beyond: Meltdown: (Mr Freeze is apparantly killed after battling Derek Powers, now called Blight)

Batman Beyond: Ascension (Blight is revealed to be Derek Powers and battles Batman, now missing)

Batman Beyond: Zeta (Terry meets Zeta, a synthoid programmed to kill, who has rebelled against his program and vowed not to kill anymore after he learned his last target was innocent; Now on the run from the government)

Batman Beyond: Out of the Past (Ra's Al Ghul returns in the body of his daughter Talia; is presumed killed once and for all)

The Zeta Project: The Accomplice (Zeta meets Ro)

Batman Beyond: The Call (Terry is offered to join the Justice League by Superman)

Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (Bruce regains control of Wayne Enterprises; The Joker returns and battles Terry for the last time; Tim, Barbara and Bruce are reunited)

Batman Beyond: Countdown (Ro meets Batman here)

The Zeta Project: Shadows (Ro and Batman already know each other. Bruce is still in charge of Wayne Enterprises)

The Zeta Project: The Hologram Man (Series Finale)

Static Shock: Future Shock (Static meets Terry)

Justice League Unlimited: Once and Future Things (presumably)

Superman: New Kids in Town (The Legion travels back in time to Smallville to defeat Brainiac)

THis is excellent, minus a few (very few) things out of order......... but i beleive you forgot the introduction of the single most important DCUA character to date.... the condiment King..... who is secrety hinding in Dr fates Tower and is head hancho of Dr Fates new Super team OFFICIALLY formed imediately after ...duh duh duuuuuuuh ... the events in "Wake The Dead"

 

[Fone Bone]

THis is excellent, minus a few (very few) things out of order......... but i beleive you forgot the introduction of the single most important DCUA character to date.... the condiment King..... who is secrety hinding in Dr fates Tower and is head hancho of Dr Fates new Super team OFFICIALLY formed imediately after ...duh duh duuuuuuuh ... the events in "Wake The Dead"

Although I am very grateful to styl92 for moving this to it's own thread I am somewhat saddened by the fact that I will not be able to edit it.

 

[Style]

Although I am very grateful to styl92 for moving this to it's own thread I am somewhat saddened by the fact that I will not be able to edit it.

Then copy it, paste it onto a word document, edit it there, then post the new and improved version in the thread. I can't do everything for your list. Because if I did, Toon Zone forums would have to start paying me a moderator's salary!

 

[Fone Bone]

Then copy it, paste it onto a word document, edit it there, then post the new and improved version in the thread. I can't do everything for your list. Because if I did, Toon Zone forums would have to start paying me a moderator's salary!

I can do that if you remove the quotes (hint hint).

Uuuuhhhh. Wake the Dead, right? My favorite part was when Hawkgirl brutally and callously bashed Grundy's brains in for no reason while Superman egged her on.

 

[Revelator]

His James Bond, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Star Trek and Angel DVD collections?

Especially his multiple copies of The Man With the Golden Gun and A View to a Kill. Meanwhile, Inza is secretly hoarding several volumes of Guys Gone Wild...
And Amazo has developed an unhealthy obessesion with that winking robot chick from Metropolis.

 

[Jade_GL]

Uuuuhhhh. Wake the Dead, right? My favorite part was when Hawkgirl brutally and callously bashed Grundy's brains in for no reason while Superman egged her on.

And don't forget GL in the background holding the digital camera, all so they could show the rest of the JLU at the annual Watchtower buffet luncheon. Those animals....

Anyway, I think we've run into a wall here. I think this episode is just great, and the more I think about it, the more I like it. I like that the answers aren't easy, the villain isn't the cut and dry bad guy, and that morals and ethics come into play. I think that made it one of the best episodes so far, in my mind.

 

[DerekPowers]

Uuuuhhhh. Wake the Dead, right? My favorite part was when Hawkgirl brutally and callously bashed Grundy's brains in for no reason while Superman egged her on.

I know your only joking, but dont even get me started on THAT again....

 

[bat313]

Uuuuhhhh. Wake the Dead, right? My favorite part was when Hawkgirl brutally and callously bashed Grundy's brains in for no reason while Superman egged her on.

Hawkgirl killed Grundy?????? !!!!!! Whhhhaaaaaaaa???????

 

[Weibart]

Well, I finally caught this legally tonight, I missed it the first time around...

Very good episode. The animation was very classy, best yet from ol' Dr. Movie. Every shot was really well chosen. Some of the angles seemed a little flashy, a little overdramatic in spots, but overall the episode grabbed my attention and never let go. The action was fantastic, every blow exchanged just exploded off screen and really came off well.

I'm at peace with Shayera's mace now, all thanks to some well said exposition. This wonder mace started to bother me a bit back in A Terror Beyond, but thanks to what was said (by Fate I think it was), enth metal and why it was created, that explanation works for me. Everything ties together really well here, very well structured story. I really felt for Grundy, even when he was slobbering (which was very well animated by the way). Shayera putting him to sleep was very appropriate, I must admit I felt bad for the poor guy when she comes upon him resting against the tunnel wall. I'm not too crazy with what Shayera said, it seemed a little off, a little telegraphed to the audience about what he intentions were. That's small, it just urked me a little. The crowd scene felt a little weird too, it worked but I dunno, it felt a little forced.

All in all, it was a very good episode. Way to go gang, and way to Grundy grunt, b.t.

 

[Stu]

All in all, it was a very good episode. Way to go gang, and way to Grundy grunt, b.t.

Like a machine

Ahhh, on topic bliss.

So, if Hawkgirl ever appeared again, should she get a new costume? White tank top and pants doesn't seem very superheroish to me.

Maybe something similar to her awesome Better World digs?

 

[EJill34]

So, if Hawkgirl ever appeared again, should she get a new costume? White tank top and pants doesn't seem very superheroish to me.

Maybe something similar to her awesome Better World digs?

Her costume from "A Better World" was very cool but its a little too close to her Thanagarian outfit. I'd think that armor would be the last thing she'd be wearing, even if its probably the most practical.

I actually kind of like what she was wearing in "Wake the Dead." It was so plain that it kind of works in contrast with all the extravagant (or revealing in the case of Vixen) costumes some of the League members wear.

 

[DLM]

So, if Hawkgirl ever appeared again, should she get a new costume? White tank top and pants doesn't seem very superheroish to me.

Maybe something similar to her awesome Better World digs?

As long as she doesn't put the mask back on. I think she's a character that works so much better with a full range of facial expressions. Personally I think it would be cool if she adopted a whole new look. It would be in keeping with the theme that she's left behind both the Thanagarian soldier and the Hawkgirl identities and is now out to forge a new identity for herself, becoming a stronger and more heroic persona.

 

[b.t.]

i was SO tempted to keep her in her "wake the dead" outfit, i thought she looked awesome kicking zombie ass in her civvies....but ultimately decided she needed something a little more practical, so she WILL get a new outfit....no mask, though; she's far too pretty to keep covered up....

 

[Karkull]

Aw, I like her Hawkgirl outfit.

 

[Supremus]

Excellent! New Hawkgirl costume. The old one was by far the worst design of all the Leaguers. It looked almost Golden Age with the short little boots and the massive mask. I wouldn't object to something along the lines of Justice Lord Hawkgirl's costume.

Now, who do I have to sleep with to get Supergirl's costume changed?

 

[b.t.]

Aw, I like her Hawkgirl outfit.

right there with ya, buddy, but there's no freakin' way, it represents the part of her life that she's totally conflicted about, almost ashamed of.....

 

[Supremus]

right there with ya, buddy, but there's no freakin' way, it represents the part of her life that she's totally conflicted about, almost ashamed of.....

I remember seeing a drawing you did of Hawkgirl on an online gallery many moons ago, and it was absolutely spot on. It was essentially the regular JL Hawkgirl, but she had longer boots with the golden detailing up the front, and her mask seemed smaller. There was also some nipple-action going on, but I guess that wasn't appropriate for the show Any reason why you didn't use that design on the show? The biggest difference was the boots, but they really do make a difference.

 

[Teo]

i was SO tempted to keep her in her "wake the dead" outfit, i thought she looked awesome kicking zombie ass in her civvies....but ultimately decided she needed something a little more practical, so she WILL get a new outfit....no mask, though; she's far too pretty to keep covered up....

Too bad, 'cause there is so much badass potential with street clothes. I mean, Diana too in Hawk and Dove. Maybe Shayera just needs a jacket with a monogrammed H.G. on the sleeve and a nice pair of boots (with neon laces?). Take it under consideration.

p.s. I think some kind of clever mace strap would be in order, but no velcro--very 1980's. And no buttons (Bad if her hands get cold).

---
Gunnm

 

[murmur]

Yeah, if costumes reflect the personalities of their wearers at all (and they should), then Hawkgirl's gotta get new digs. And I like that she doesn't get a mask, not just 'cause she's got a pretty face (though that doesn't hurt) but 'cause she's done with the secrets and the hiding of her true self and all that.

Anyway, about the episode--really good stuff. JLU is really getting into a good character development balance between the big fan-favorites, the familiar and the new. Actually, JLU had done a pretty good job at that from the beginning, it was just harder to appreciate all the subtlety of it from the start. And it seems there's already been a big ole' argument about whether there was or wasn't too much mercy being given to either Grundy or Shayera, but hey whichever side you're on, you have to admit that at least both sides had some representation.

The vote...wonderful revelation. I especially like the fact that more insight was given without giving away the whole thing. If it can be assumed that Flash and WW voted for and against HG, respectively, then that leaves Batman and J'onn, neither of whom I consider to be an obvious case (strong arguments can and have been made both ways...).

Oh, and I'm glad that Batman isn't the smartest at everything. I'm sure he's a fabulous chess player, but I doubt he allows himself the time, and standardized war strategy is more up HG's and AQ's alley. If Bruce could invent little gadgets for his pawns or move his pieces off the board then he'd kick some butt. Oh, hey, maybe the chess thing made him bitter and affected his vote...