Justice League Unlimited - New Episodes Talkback (UK Airings), Part II (Spoilers)

[Dens Maris]

I have a feeling that Superman won't be the one to finish off Darkseid.

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In the previews, it looked as if Darkseid breaks Supermans back

...

Dunno about that.

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If one of Doomsday's punches couldn't dislocate his jaw, I doubt Supes' bones could break like that. Looks like it hurts, though, definitely.

 

[J-Ranger]

I'm really trying to avoid spoilers but did "Destroyer" air today in the UK?

 

[Dens Maris]

Last I heard, it was airing the 18th- if it had aired, this thread probably would have exploded by now.

 

[MilkManX]

I feel really stupid for asking this, but here goes: what is it about Darkseid's costume that ties his new look to

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KISS?

LOL!!

Man I love KISS.

Yeah it looks like a mix of Ace Frehley 78 and Paul Stanley 77 outfits.

 

[Karkull]

LOL!!

Man I love KISS.

Yeah it looks like a mix of Ace Frehley 78 and Paul Stanley 77 outfits.

I'm looking at the pics of their various costumes and I'm still not seeing it.

 

[DeathscytheVII]

I never found Darkseid to be that imposing, consider how they powered him down so much in Twilight when he was supposed to be a god.

Nevertheless, i dropped my jaw when i saw his return. Magnificently done, and it looks like he finally has the powers to back up his god-like status. Excellent. I can't wait to see destroyer, although i was hoping for a three parter (ditch the LOS ep, they're getting their own series anyway.)

What im secretly hoping for, is that the Team had made it a three parter, but they intentionally left out the last episode to blow us away one last time.

Yeah, i know, but dreaming doesn't hurt.

and I can't believe Tala's dead i liked her. I really did sympathize with her for some reason, despite her jumping back and forth between grodd and luthor. I guess it was because what happened to her was so cruel, i wouldn't wish it on any villain =S

 

[Squall]

What im secretly hoping for, is that the Team had made it a three parter, but they intentionally left out the last episode to blow us away one last time.

Yeah, i know, but dreaming doesn't hurt.

That would be awesome, if "Destroyer" were actually a two-part episode... Then JLU would end with an even 40 episodes, a nice, round number. Also, JLU could then be packaged as two DVD box sets of 20 episodes each for the store shelves...

After all, 39 is just such an... odd number.

 

[maxnugget]

Don't get your hopes up for this to secretly be a three-parter. That would be pretty unprecedented, and honestly it'd be a lot of trouble gone to for a relatively insignificant payoff (surprising first-run viewers with a "to be continued" on the presumed-final episode).

Also, if they really wanted to make this a three-parter, I'm sure they'd have just knocked out any of the other 13 episodes to do so. After all they DID knock out FIVE of last season's eps to focus on one big "finale." Of course maybe they wanted to ease up after last season's "season finale" was made up of almost half of the season.

Anyway, my original point was going to be, if the creative team felt the finale story needed to be a three-parter, I'm sure they'd have made it a three-parter and ditched one of the other episodes. And incidentally, no matter what anyone thought of the LoS episode, it's actually, I predict, the least likely candidate to have been scrapped, because A) to the extent it underwhelmed, it was more a matter of execution, so they wouldn't have known to scrap it until it was too late; B) I doubt they'd opt to scrap their one Paul Dini episode, C) the only good candidates for scrapping are the episodes they think will be mediocre before they start producing them. That means episodes with a bad story premise, not episodes that had promise and under-delivered.

...Which leads me to believe that, despite the expected massiveness of "Destroyer," it's probably a story that can be effectively told in 22 minutes without being rushed. Like so many things in the DCAU's past though, the bottom line is this creative team is amazing and they know what they're doing so I'm not in the least bit worried.

 

[James]

Don't get your hopes up for this to secretly be a three-parter. That would be pretty unprecedented, and honestly it'd be a lot of trouble gone to for a relatively insignificant payoff (surprising first-run viewers with a "to be continued" on the presumed-final episode).
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Which leads me to believe that, despite the expected massiveness of "Destroyer," it's probably a story that can be effectively told in 22 minutes without being rushed. Like so many things in the DCAU's past though, the bottom line is this creative team is amazing and they know what they're doing so I'm not in the least bit worried.

I agree with that. Besides, the 13 episode season is a fairly rigid beast, you aren't going to see a magic 14th episode - one directly tied to the 13 - pop up. Not going to happen for all the reasons Max said as well as the simple fact it's just not done. A 13 episode season was drawn up and the show is finishing. Under than scenerio, no funding is going to be applied to make a 14th episode because the story deems it.

If this needed to be three parts, you'd have probably seen one of the episodes would not be here. I disagree with the LOSH one. As much as I disliked it, I felt their was a little more going on behind the scenes of that one to make it a simple whim. With LOSH on the cards and rumours of Supergirl being involved, I think Far From Home, was either important to the writers or the network. I don't think it would have been dropped.

More likely, an episode which doesn't quite stand alone, but whose arc story would have been written into another story. Maybe Grudge Match, or Patriot Act would have been removed.

I think there were a lot of things the crew wanted to do this season and in a way, all the stories were important to them. I'm guessing the balance to fit all those tales which brough back Huntress, Cadmus, Hawkman, Supergirl, J'onn leaving etc, were all things they wanted to do and the need for a extra long finale was outweighed by the seasons need.

13 would have been the number they had either way. It just boils down to what the crew wanted to do more.

 

[tkyoung21]

Ending the series with 39 ep would be just fine. How about killing Superman at end of 'destoryer' but leaving door opens to bring him back in a Direct-to-DVD to be released around the same time 'Superman Returns'. That would be awesome.

 

[Yojimbo]

Ending the series with 39 ep would be just fine. How about killing Superman at end of 'destoryer' but leaving door opens to bring him back in a Direct-to-DVD to be released around the same time 'Superman Returns'. That would be awesome.

I hate to rain on your parade. I doubt it. The DTV is a prequel, and may not be in continuity at all.
1)It'd upset fans.
2)If DC Comics wouldn't allow Clark Kent to do the big reveal, they wouldn't let the staff ambigiously kill him.

 

[James]

After seeing Dead Reckoning, I would say my speculative idea for "Destroyer" would be Deadman. The ending of Dead Reckoning could have been resolved in a far less open ended manner, which makes me wonder if he has some final key part to play in the finale. Considering the nature of Darkseid, it's possible.

Of course, it could have been to make the episode very much media res. With no real defined origin to Deadman, we pick up his tale in the middle. Likewise, it finishes with no resolution, so I could be misreading a simple yet effective story device.

However, I would like to throw Deadman into the hat as a far more possible surprise guest for Destroyer than say, AMAZO, since Deadman has been referenced in this season and has yet to make amends. This could be the perfect situation.

 

[Ice]

That's a great theory ... makes perfect sense.

 

[Gorthaur]

While I agree that Deadman would make more sense than Amazo as the scale-tipping surprise reinforcement-guy, I read the end of "Dead Reckoning" as simply your standard "a superhero's (ghost's?) work is never done" fare.

Seems more likely, not to mention appropriate, to me to focus on the characters we've come to know - and, due to the unique nature of his relationship with daddy dearest, Orion. Though I'm not sure I wouldn't like to see Darkseid beat Amazo.

 

[James]

I read the end of "Dead Reckoning" as simply your standard "a superhero's (ghost's?) work is never done" fare.

Very possible. As I said, it started with no origin, it ended with no resolution. That could simply be the whole point; we're just taking a glimpse into a tale beyond the perameters of this arc. So I wouldn't certainly say this for certain.

I did find it odd, beyond the above reasoning, why the end was left so open when the rest of the series has had character resolutions which are fairly final. That's what made me wonder whether this episode being so villain arc driven, may actually be arc driven for this hero as well. With his actions putting the balance out of place, something big like Darkseid would make such a perfect resolution.

So yeah, I think it makes fun speculation but I think there is also enough evidence that the open ending was just a clever writing technique that dove tails Deadman's tale as ambiguously as it began.

 

[Teo]

and I can't believe Tala's dead i liked her. I really did sympathize with her for some reason, despite her jumping back and forth between grodd and luthor. I guess it was because what happened to her was so cruel, i wouldn't wish it on any villain =S

Don't worry. I'm sure she secretly escaped and then rescued Grodd the moment his off-screen death almost happened. Since the DCAU's continuity appears to be closing up, it probably won't be seen. That's my guess any way.

 

[Lord Sidious]

Quick Question

In all the episodes,

Does the word "Legion" ever used to describe Lex's/Grodd's Organization??

Coz even in the first episode, "I am Legion", the word "Legion" was never used at all. I think Grodd just refered to it as an Organization of Super Villains or a Co-op.

I mean, I know they are the Legion Of Doom but could Bruce Timm and co. at least throw a bone to younger kids who never saw the Challenge of the Superfriends and make a character say that the villains' group is called the Legion.

 

[mr.happy]

Update: Toonami received "Destroyer" today, and it will air tomorrow, Saturday, 18 February at 11:30 and 18:00.

 

[b.t.]

Does the word "Legion" ever used to describe Lex's/Grodd's Organization??

Coz even in the first episode, "I am Legion", the word "Legion" was never used at all. I think Grodd just refered to it as an Organization of Super Villains or a Co-op.

I mean, I know they are the Legion Of Doom but could Bruce Timm and co. at least throw a bone to younger kids who never saw the Challenge of the Superfriends and make a character say that the villains' group is called the Legion.

dc specifically requested that we not ever use the term "legion of doom" in an episode to describe the super-sized baddie orginization, as they felt it sounded too corny/old school, and instantly conjures up memories of SUPER-FRIENDS....i don't think alex ross and co. are allowed to use it either in their current JUSTICE comic, though "updated hardcore legion of doom" is clearly alex's agenda........

y'know, i can't say that i disagree with their logic completely, it IS a prettty corny name....personally, i felt that the audience would have accepted it without tarnishing our "hip and modern" street cred, but didn't feel it was a battle worth fighting....at least we got to keep the stylin' darth vader-head hq....

 

[Stu]

This thread has (just about) reached 500 posts, so please continue the discussion in Part 3!