"Harley Quinn" Season Three Talkback (Spoilers)

[Yojimbo]

Harley Quinn Season Three premieres today on HBO Max! Show your support for Harley Quinn on Twitter by live-tweeting @DCUHarleyQuinn and #HarleyQuinn to @hbomax during today's episodes!

The mayhem and madness continue in season three of this biting and uproarious adult animated comedy series. Wrapping up their "Eat. Bang! Kill. Tour," Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy return to Gotham as the new power couple of DC villainy. Along with their ragtag crew - King Shark, Clayface, Frank the Plant - "Harlivy" strives to become the best version of themselves while also working towards Ivy's long desired plan of transforming Gotham into an Eden paradise.

Harley Quinn
Thursday, July 28, 2022 - #27 "Harlivy"
Synopsis: After fleeing the wedding, Harley and Ivy go on an "Eat Bang Kill" tour that leads them to a secret project Ivy abandoned years ago.

Thursday, July 28, 2022 - #28 "There's No Ivy in Team"
Synopsis: After a heist gone wrong, Harley takes the crew to an escape room to foster camaraderie and sharpen Ivy's leadership skills.

Thursday, July 28, 2022 - #29 "The 83rd Annual Villy Awards"
Synopsis: After receiving a "Best Couple" nomination at the 83rd Annual Villy Awards, Ivy finds herself seated next to her ex's new girlfriend while Harley goes overboard to ensure their win.

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[Fone Bone]

Harley Quinn "Harlivy"

Pretty good start. Also pleasurably sexy, which is nice, and not usual for this franchise. Most DC sexy stuff is gross. Including the previous seasons of this show.

Gordon is probably the Big Bad of the series. He is awful on every level.

Neat. ****.

Harley Quinn "There's No Ivy In Team"

I love Bane's random Sex And The City moment with the bank teller. That show was SO dumb.

Riddler's response to Batman winning the escape room was great.

Like the Dick Grayson on Batman '66 and Teen Titans Go!, this Robin / Nightwing is a punchline. But the joke feel much more satirical here to me and less obvious than those losers. Which is nice.

God Frank? Whuh oh.

Funny episode. ****1/2.

Harley Quinn "The 83rd Annual Villy Awards"

Kiteman is such a refreshingly positive character and I love Golden Glider too. I am happy for them both.

Billy Bob Thornton is a good sport. To put it mildly.

James Gunn wrote one of the Scooby Doo movies? That lost him a bit of respect from me.

Ivy's dress is a knock-out. Yowza.

Laughed at Riddler and Clock King's awkward missed kisses.

I think we just saw the scene where the infamous Batmunch was censored. DC's rules about that sort of thing are arbitrary and ridiculous.

Catwoman declaring the Joe Chill award an apology trophy awarded to her simply for her being black sounds good, but it doesn't feel right, and I think she's missing the forest for the trees in her objections. Why? Joe Chill is the villain who messed up Batman the most. The villain who messes up Batman the second most is Selina Kyle. It's entirely appropriate she won that.

I like the positive and adult take the show has on relationships. I would have expected it from the dumb and obvious show it was in the first season, but it's really evolved and matured since then. A lot like Harley and Ivy. It's been a pleasure to see. ****1/2.

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

originally posted by Fone Bone
James Gunn wrote one of the Scooby Doo movies? That lost him a bit of respect from me.

Oh James Gunn didn't write one of the Scooby Doo movies... he wrote for BOTH theatrical Scooby Doo live action movies. The 2002 one and 2004 one. In fact Scrappy Doo being the bad guy in the first movie was HIS idea... granted James Gunn wanted those movies to be much darker and satirical then they were as he imagined them being PG-13 flicks that could get away with a lot more adult jokes but WB had them strictly PG to get a more kids audience. And remember this is back when Gunn was a lot less known especially since before Scooby Doo 2002 the only other films he had written for are the super forgotten barely remembered The Specials and Troma Studios Tromeo and Juliet as it was only Guardians of the Galaxy that broke him into the mainstream. But enough history let's get to the show shall we?

"HarIvy" - Honestly I'm going to try and make these shorter reviews not because I disliked these episodes or anything but because they're all fairly good and I want to focus on mostly the message and stories because I don't want to just list all the jokes I found funny. I do really like how yeah all three episodes are delving into actual couple problems because as much as Harley and Ivy are close they are very different so it's clear that there would be some friction with the two of them together. And here it's Harley wanting to shower and adore Ivy with love and push her even if it's something she may not be interested in but is trying to convince everyone especially herself that she is. I guess it's not fully addressed because it's part of the crux of the season but I do like how they use the Eat Bang Kill Tour element here. And as this was something I actually had in my "what the third season should be about" they are actually going with Ivy wanting to do this big giant scheme even if here it's started with Harley pushing her into it. And this one also doing what I wanted introducing Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad even if they could only show Plastique. Heh I think they missed a good opportunity for a joke when talking about the Suicide Squad as when running down their members Amanda should of said Bloodsport and Harley or Ivy thought Deadshot was the main one and Amanda saying "no the other super skilled assassin who never misses with a teenage daughter he's trying to redeem himself for how could you mistake the two" or something like that. Still some good jokes with the super quicky Harley Ivy porn and those actresses being used later, how the original mayor died, Gordon not getting the meaning behind Two Face saying he's "Two Faced", James Gunn hiring Clayface as his chair and the Invisible plane having an invisible parachute supposedly. Solid premiere though...

"There's No Ivy In Team" - Of the three episodes, this one's my favorite. I think not only because it had the most jokes I laughed at but I think the plot just makes the most sense; the idea that Harley lets Ivy lead the team on a case and Poison Ivy has no idea how to do that because... yeah especially in this series she's been depicted as being such a solo performer and not knowing how to really rely on people and doing her own thing. And having this whole big ideal and having to learn how to be comfortable with failure. Also like how it ties into Nightwing's whole arc of coming back and being part of the Bat Family. Which feels better handled then similar jokes used in the Batman Brave and the Bold episode about Dick Grayson's return to Gotham since yeah this show just allows it to be more insane and out there with the jokes. And there were just so many good ones to the escape room being hosted by The Riddler and Batman venting about there being a Thomas Wayne biography and Damian's whole flippant attitude on dying and giving Nightwing the finger everytme he calls shotgun and one of Firefly's goon trying to call out one of Nightwing's insults towards them and then Bane's whole suplot of needing to get explosives and wanting revenge just because of not returning a pasta maker and none of the others caring about that and... yeah again wanting to keep these shorter otherwise just go on and on about the jokes I liked which again is the most here so good stuff.

"The 83rd Annunal Villy Awards" - My biggest annoyance about this episode is that they kept saying "Poison Ivy dumped Kite Man" when that's not how the second season ended. It was pointed out Harley and Ivy did cheat on him behind his back but it should have been "Kite Man rightfully told Ivy off that she didn't really love him like that when she still tried pushing for the wedding regardless." Like it wouldn't have hurt the story any as this was about him finding his own happiness as well so it feels like that should have been addressed better. Otherwise this one really worked. I admit though Golden Glider is cute and she and Chuck works as a couple it does seems weird they're spotlight a spinoff series on Kite Man and Golden Glider based on this but eh maybe we see a bit more of her personality later on or in the series. I also like the idea of the team having to live at Catwoman's (and yeah pretty clear Selina was not being pleasured on her feet in the original cut if you read what the team said a year back about this season) and Harley wanting to win best couple with Ivy due to never getting to enjoy that with her and Joker before and then the two leaving before they were called. Admittedly I think the swerve was done a lot better in the Simpsons episode about the country club but still worked here. And again a lot of solid jokes. Five favorite were James gunn talking about the Scooby Doo movie apparently working in the edits, Joker's opening act song and in memoirum about the villains, Selina's whole speech about them just giving her the Joe Chill award cause she's black, the tiger killing Billy Bob Thorton and earlier him knowing it was Clayface because Clayface didn't know James Gunn doesn't act it's his brother Sean, and the robot destroying the envelope just to be petty. So yeah another solid ep of this show and so glad to have it back hoping the next seven will be up to this level.

 

[M.O.D.O.K.]

I overall enjoyed these episodes. There's some good jokes here and there, especially involving Bane's petty quest for revenge and anything with Clayface and King Shark. I think I keep coming back to how the show's been handling the Harley and Ivy relationship. They have their problems and disagreements, but it's nice that the melodrama has been put to rest for the time being. I especially like the focus on Ivy's past a traditional eco-terrorist and how she's trying to get back into things thanks to Harley's encouragement.

I admit, this version of Nightwing wasn't my favorite. He strikes me as too whiny and pathetic, which I wasn't expecting at all. Harvey Guillen did a fine job voicing, though. I almost didn't recognize him at all. I'm amused that Alfred has gone full vigilante as well, rather than just being a one-off gag.

I think my favorite episode was the third one. Tons of good jokes and interactions between the villains. I liked the contrasting conflicts between Harley and Ivy and the cute scenes between them, Kite-Man and Golden Glider, and even Riddler and Clock King. Some fun cameos like Codpiece and Imperceptible Man as well.

Other observations: So, Nightwing said that he let Vigilante kill Blockbuster, but the captions said it was Tarantula instead. Was this a change to the script? The latter would fit Nightwing's mythos more, I think.

Also, as expected, the episodes contradict much of what happened in the Eat, Bang! Kill comic books, from Clayface and King Shark's whereabouts to Nightwing's relationships and characterization.

 

[Yojimbo]

Man, those were fast episodes, time just flew by. A lot to unpack with 3 episodes so only gonna say a couple things. I did like them but I wasn't really grabbed until the Villy Awards. That's when it felt like things started to slow down and really get into the show. Episodes 1 and 2 really had to do some heavy lifting with this character is here for the entire cast, intro some of the news ones, set up the season arcs (but don't get me wrong, still a lot of great stuff).

Didn't expect it to start with a Danger: Diabolik reference. But them tricking Gordon, rofl. Cringe with the HBO Max reference.

Hey, Waller finally showed up. Boy, they didn't hold back on insulting Plastique. Pretty neat the Suicide Squad is the movie line up. Hm, this Edin plan. Should be interesting to see how it all pans out.

New New Gotham somehow sucks even more. But the death of the Mayor gag. Holy hell. But you think for a City Hall in Gotham, they'd make use hurricane proof windows so almost nothing busts through... shrug. Gordon not getting Harvey was saying he's two-faced, lmao. But ugh, hope Gordon doesn't win. It was pretty hilarious that Cheryl was one of the voters asking a question.

Just drive into the mall. heh heh. Jurassic Park reference. Yes. Clayface being right about the extra guard, rofl!

Bane's card being declined and the disenchanted check out girl, LOL. The bank teller asking him if he's depressed. Missed Bane so much.

Batman snatching the popcorn away, heh.

Also that pink plant Ivy hides in was from the Poison Ivy: Cycle of Life mini-series.

Wow, so Frank the Plant is at least 20 years old. Frank being mad about the airport bought post card.

Robin snarking at Nightwing about time and math. And Macaroni's vehicles. The quick pan to Batman saying he solved the escape room and Riddler's reaction video was awesome.

The cats turning on King Shark. heh. The Jason Todd/Death in the Family nod turning into a musical opening. Oh man. A little shocked it turned out Joker campaigned for Harley and Ivy's nomination. But Joker had so many good one liners. Catwoman's award speech. Yup. Props for that. And all the white villains feeling so awkward. Loved that she brought up Black Manta, too. Can't believe Codpiece and Imperceptible Man are real DC characters. It was nice seeing mostly all the villains again in one room. Golden Glider! And Clock King's voice debut and first time he's see in costume. He had a cameo at Bane's prison spa last season in I think he was sitting front row during the show.

Also, as expected, the episodes contradict much of what happened in the Eat, Bang! Kill comic books, from Clayface and King Shark's whereabouts to Nightwing's relationships and characterization.

Unfortunate, but not surprised. Pretty hard when they didn't involve the producers from the start or they might have caught those.

 

[Frontier]

Do I want to know how Harley and Ivy broke into the Fortress of Solitude or stole the Invisible Jet? Then again, the plot seems to cater to this couple in surprising ways .

I feel like Harley is falling into bad habits. Like, she's all in and kind of obsessed with her relationship with Ivy, because that's just how she expresses her feelings for someone, but she also has an insatiable need to cause mayhem and be a Supervillain which she channels into making Ivy come up with a perfect Poison Ivy villain plot. I know Ivy's not Joker so it's not the same, and I'm not saying that as a relationship deal-breaker or anything, just something I noticed .

Even Poison Ivy gets flummoxed around Queen Elizabeth...who hopefully survived that fall .

Why would Jim have Two-Face as his campaign manager? I know this is the kind of show where the cast are all kind of idiotic or dumb (especially for the sake of the plot) but Two-Face literally tried to kill him multiple times last season, Jim knows what Harvey is like (and Harvey still betrays him), and he's just as bad as Harley and Ivy (if not worse). So why would he work with him? It made no sense to me outside the jokes .

Also, did Jim Gordon go along with roughing up prisoners ?

Did they arrest those porn stars who helped facilitate an Arkham breakout? Knowing the GCPD in this setting, probably not .

So, uh...Jim Gordon unknowingly killed a mouse family and the acting mayor. I mean, he couldn't have known that would happen but...Gotham gonna Gotham. Is that mouse going to end up becoming mouse Batman and stalk Gordon ?

I'm kind of surprised they went with the Ayer roster for the Suicide Squad (Deadshot still looked white though). I guess that goes to show when this was still in production .

Kari Wahlgren as Plastique everybody! I love how they mined the fact that she's from Canada by making her talk so stereo-typically Canadian even though Plastique in the comics usually has a French accent. She was really fun. Shame she had to blow herself up, but she actually won when you think about it .

Dick basically outing himself as Nightwing in front of two Supervillains and they don't care at all .

I'm not sure how I feel about the shows' take on Nightwing. Like, the parody brooding bad boy persona and being a show-off in the field feel about right, but he also comes off like a whiny manchild. I mean, he actually talked about killing himself! And wouldn't his experience with the Titans have already led him to be an experienced team player ?

So nobody told Dick about Batgirl who is now a full member of the Batfamily and gets her own costume case, even though they apparently let Babs know everything about Dick. And they're letting Alfred remain in the field because of course they do .

Barbara Gordon and Dick Grayson meet again...for the first time! Things definitely started a little rocky between them, but it seemed like they really started to like each other at the end. Babs asking him if he wanted to hop a ride on her bike also came off much more like she was flirting with him. Then again, what are the ages in this? Dick said he's been gone for eight years, so when did he leave as Robin and the Nightwing transition happen? It feels like he should be in his mid 20's. I guess Babs is maybe 18-20-ish? If Damian was really 4 when Dick left, then he's 12 now ?

I guess it's not too surprising that Ivy wouldn't be used to leading a team let alone being a team player when she's more used to being solo or just working with Harley .

I thought it was funny how Firefly had this high-tech modern look while his goons looked so goofy. And his voice was so high-pitched .

Riddler being behind a killer escape room is the most Riddler plot ever. And of course Batman solves it .

Clayface said he wants to be credited as "Clayface the 4th" so...are they never going to confirm which Clayface he is ?

I really don't care for Harley and Batgirl being gal pals. I see no reason why they should really be so friendly (beyond Babs being delusional about what Harley is like) other than their VA's are sisters .

Which Blockbuster did Vigilante kill? Mark or Roland? I only ask because Mark is usually dead while Roland is the main Nightwing Villain in Bludhaven .

Even Batman is tired of watching the Wayne's constantly get murdered. Apparently the current Thomas Wayne biopic is a remake too .

I know I ask this a lot, but what was stopping the Batfamily from arresting the crew after they got out of the escape room ?

Everyone's favorite character Bane is back! And he's mad about his wedding gift being wasted! And he may be having an existential crisis! And he may need therapy! Poor Bane .

Well, that's one way to upend the status quo by giving Frank godlike powers and basically destroying the mall and forcing the gang to move .

I'm genuinely surprised Selina let the crew live at her place, but I guess her catpad needs someone to watch her cats and she's living it up at a mansion...but it doesn't seem like she's all that excited to be with Batman .

They're hosting a villain award show in the Monarch Theater...one of the awards is named after Joe Chill...I feel like Batman probably wouldn't take that very well .

I was genuinely wondering if they were going to make Riddler gay because of Jim Parsons, and they hook him up with Clock King of all people and have him kiss a man with a literal clock for a face. I mean, good to be out and proud I guess .

Harley and Ivy looked amazing in those dresses! Livewire, Killer Frost, Cheetah, Tawny, and Golden Glider weren't slouches either .

I don't know why, but the fact that Reverse-Flash had those red visors on like Flash does amused me .

I wonder if that plot of Thomas Wayne stepping back from Wayne Enterprises to be with his family and "Brucie" was dramatized or based in actual fact...and of course he told Martha to wear the pearls .

Joker's back! The fact that his intro featured Jason's death was very...creepy. And of course he has Harley backup dancers. And he's still all in on his new family .

What was Nora doing there? Representing her deceased husband? Looking for her next lay ?

General Zod was at that party !?

I love how all the people in the "in memoriam" other than the mouse and Scarecrow are basically dead because of Harley .

Was the idea that Riddler and Clock King built that robot to rig the vote? Or is the Villy Awards' votes always protected by a ruthless killer robot ?

So I guess we can have Catwoman stand up for black people everywhere because she's been race-bent...I mean, she had a point, but still. I did love how Joker genuinely didn't know Black Manta is actually black .

It took me a second to realize that was Golden Glider. It seems like they're basing her costume and look more like her New 52/Rebirth design, but the dress covers much more (or was that just for the awards show since everybody else was dressed up?). Her hair was also jet black compared to Lisa's usual blonde hair, so she looked more like Isis than Golden Glider, especially with the design. Actually, is she meant to be Asian like her VA (Cathy Ang)? I guess that would explain it. I'm kind of surprised she's a legit Supervillain in this because she seems way too nice and surprisingly religious for a Supervillain. Then again, I guess that gells well with Kite Man. I'm happy Chuck's found a relationship that really works for him and is more genuine. Is she still meant to be Captain Cold's sister, though? They never mentioned it. We only saw Leonard in the background walking away from her when Chuck saw her .

Clayface being undone by a Gilmore Girls joke because Sean Gunn was the Gunn brother actually in it was hilarious. Well, that and James actually bringing up the Scooby-Doo movies .

Billy Bob Thornton! I didn't expect to see him here, or to see him get mauled by Catwoman's tiger (I was honestly less surprised she owned a tiger). I guess this gives Clayface his big break, if he can actually legit act again (James Gunn isn't fooled easy) .

 

[Yojimbo]

Clayface said he wants to be credited as "Clayface the 4th" so...are they never going to confirm which Clayface he is ?

I feel like we might get origin episodes about him or Frank this season. Frank seems likely given his upgrade.

I'm genuinely surprised Selina let the crew live at her place, but I guess her catpad needs someone to watch her cats and she's living it up at a mansion...but it doesn't seem like she's all that excited to be with Batman .

Yeah, seems like something's wrong. You could tell by the delivery of the tone in her voice even at the awards ceremony. I'm sure it will be leading to something. But hey, she gets access to the Batcave evidently.

I love how all the people in the "in memoriam" other than the mouse and Scarecrow are basically dead because of Harley .

I guess would have been too much if they put 'because Harley Quinn' 'also Harley' 'yep Harley, too' under their names.

Was the idea that Riddler and Clock King built that robot to rig the vote? Or is the Villy Awards' votes always protected by a ruthless killer robot ?

I'll have to rewatch. I thought it was just a 'all accountants are unfeeling robots' kind of an in-joke. But in-universe, what better thing to protect the i.d. of the winners than a o.p. robot? Also, it's kinda funny in itself that Gordon and the GCPD didn't try to crash this award show to arrest all the supervillains like with the wedding since it seemed to be televised and Tawny was there at the red carpet.

 

[Frontier]

I feel like we might get origin episodes about him or Frank this season. Frank seems likely given his upgrade.

I'd love to see a Frank flashback with younger and less experienced Ivy .

Yeah, seems like something's wrong. You could tell by the delivery of the tone in her voice even at the awards ceremony. I'm sure it will be leading to something. But hey, she gets access to the Batcave evidently.

Will we see her interact with the Batfamily? Will we see her interact with Alfred? Do we trust her in the Batcave? Important questions .

I guess would have been too much if they put 'because Harley Quinn' 'also Harley' 'yep Harley, too' under their names.

I'm honestly surprised she didn't at least comment on Penguin .

Also I noticed she was planning on killing Gordon's entire family (not that he has much at this point) like Queen of Fables...Harley is such a hypocrite .

I'll have to rewatch. I thought it was just a 'all accountants are unfeeling robots' kind of an in-joke. But in-universe, what better thing to protect the i.d. of the winners than a o.p. robot? Also, it's kinda funny in itself that Gordon and the GCPD didn't try to crash this award show to arrest all the supervillains like with the wedding since it seemed to be televised and Tawny was there at the red carpet.

When she texted Ivy about the "cheating" I took that to indicate Riddler and Clock King were actually behind it, but the rest of the episode didn't really corroborate one way or another .

I'd like to think Jim has learned his lesson, but...he probably has better things to do. Like running a campaign .

 

[M.O.D.O.K.]

A bit more insight on the Tarantula/Vigilante thing: Apparently, the audio sent to press screeners said "Tarantula", so it was likely changed very late in production. She's also referenced in an article on DC's official website.

 

[Yojimbo]

A bit more insight on the Tarantula/Vigilante thing: Apparently, the audio sent to press screeners said "Tarantula", so it was likely changed very late in production. She's also referenced in an article on DC's official website.

Did not notice the Mouse Wayne's clothes were from '89 Batman.

On second viewing, it finally clicked with me why Plastique's line of how she almost blew up a super soldier lab sounded familiar. Either someone on the staff was a Suicide Squad fan or looked her up on DC Wiki and saw the line about her being sent to blow up Jihad's super soldier lab in Qurac in Suicide Squad #2.

EDIT: You know, I think the subtitles were full of mistakes. Like when Bane is bellyaching about the pasta maker in the mall, I could have sworn the subtitle said "Amy and Kite Man."

 

[Frontier]

A bit more insight on the Tarantula/Vigilante thing: Apparently, the audio sent to press screeners said "Tarantula", so it was likely changed very late in production. She's also referenced in an article on DC's official website.

Tarantula actually makes more sense because that actually happened in the comics. I wonder if they changed it because of the fact that she raped Nightwing after she killed Blockbuster ?

 

[Fone Bone]

the fact that she raped Nightwing after she killed Blockbuster ?

Is that a thing that actually happened? I believe I mentioned elsewhere that I hate superhero comics. That! That!

 

[Frontier]

Is that a thing that actually happened? I believe I mentioned elsewhere that I hate superhero comics. That! That!

Yes, unfortunately...and it was not handled well.

 

[Fone Bone]

Yes, unfortunately...and it was not handled well.

There is no way that scenario as described COULD be handled well. How do comic book writers not get this?

 

[Frontier]

There is no way that scenario as described COULD be handled well. How do comic book writers not get this?

I mean, I could probably say the same for fiction writers in general.

 

[Fone Bone]

I mean, I could probably say the same for fiction writers in general.

This is why I think George RR Martin is crap deep down. These people are paid to write for a living. How do they not understand that something like this never works in a story with characters we are supposed to care about?

 

[Yojimbo]

Schumacker confirmed it was a mutual decision to change it to a Vigilante mention.

 

[Frontier]

Schumacker confirmed it was a mutual decision to change it to a Vigilante mention.

And I guess a stealth confirmation it was because of the controversy over Tarantula .

Spoiler

They might not have wanted to imply Dick's mental trauma was because he'd been raped .

 

[Yojimbo]

Thursday, August 4, 2022 - #30 "A Thief, A Mole, An Orgy"
Synopsis: When Frank goes missing, Harley and Ivy follow clues that lead them to a highly unconventional party alongside Gotham's elite, including Commissioner Gordon - who is hungry for campaign donations.

 

[Neo Ultra Mike]

"A Thief, A Mole, An Orgy" - You know I am realizing that though it does usually have a funny reveal or interaction that comes along with it, I am starting to get a bit bothered how casual some of these characters are with one another. I can buy enough this take on Jim Gordon would work with Two Face on his campaign but having Barbara okay with Two Face along not just pulling Jim aside going "dad he's a criminal he needs to be put back in jail" (especially since Jim knows she's Batgirl) feels pretty off. Same with Harley and Ivy just going to where Joker is asking questions and him actually just explaining to them about the Court of Owls. I mean this is the kind of stuff that makes sense in a world like the Venture Brothers where having enemies and allies so casual with one another is something you constantly see but in an actual DC Universe it does feel off. I also should point out none of the Eyes Wide Shut esque orgy with the Court of Owls was that funny. I am not that familiar with them so I don't really care about how obviously different this group is from the comics but honestly gags like this do feel dated. I don't think it's a showcase of the series going downhill as we had The Right Stuff/Thelma & Louise parodies in other seasons so it's clear the team do like their old movies but... yeah they didn't put any real interesting jokes on it as "everyone's into the orgy but Harley and Ivy and Jim can't see what's going on" isn't really that funny.

I think the rest of the episode works though. I admit I was a bit split on "we still need coupling lessons every week from Harley and Ivy" but again it makes sense showing the rought spots of that relationship and wanting to work on it going forward. And honestly I think it comes together with the reveal that Ivy hooked up and want more of a relationship in the past with Selina who didn't want anything and Ivy knows how bad that is now being in a loving relationship with Harley. That actually feels like it was planned out from the previous season how clingy Ivy was when around Catwoman and again shows how even if she is the level headed and stable one in the relationship she still has flaws she has to work on. Especially when it comes to wanting to not be disliked or seen as the party pooper by the person she cares the most for. And yeah I am glad I went into this not knowing the plot so the capture of Frank caught me by surprise and am curious what happened to him. Plus this one does have some really solid jokes in it; Harley starting a badn with Clayface and King Shark, The mayor still being alived and getting support for people who think Jim's a jerk for picking on someone in a coma (I kind of perferred the idea of him dying but they turned it into a funny enough bit), Harley's gang love for that... i forget the restaurant honestly (could look it up but eh don't feel like it) even singing the tagline before going there, Joker actually being a father to Bethany's king and being upset at the kid's school's emails and throwing away the computer, Bruce Wayne at the court of owls meeting giving money for Jim Gordon to going away and Two Face wanting to blackmail all the members of the court of Owl. Probably still not as funny an ep as the second of the season but still good and curious on where this one will go and hopefully this season won't be the end of it and will go on as long as the creators want it to.