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The Dutch Nickelodeon aired all old NickToons besides Doug, because Viacom doesn't own Doug internationally.

Doug did air on Dutch state television, I assume also in Aruba and the Dutch Antilles.
Back before Latin American channels were a thing in the Dutch Caribbean region, they used to have PAL converters because their region was NTSC and used to carry the NPO channels.


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Okay, so somebody I know decided to get Disney+, and I decided to check it out through them (you know, because they asked, and I didn't want to seem ungrateful). I saw Flowers and Trees, the first Disney short made in color. Now there was a note saying (paraphrased) that it "may contain outdated cultural depictions". There was a part where the girl tree puts on makeup, but that can't be it (after all, even back then, not every girl wore makeup). Also you have the heroic boy tree who rescues the girl tree from the evil decrepit old tree who tries to set the forest on fire, but that still can't be it.

So the question is, where is the outdated cultural reference? Or is that just something they put there just in case somebody got the wrong idea somehow? If it is, then it would seem kind of paranoid, even for Disney..or at least I think so.

In any case, I meant what I said before. I won't really be looking into this until Disney+ has something worth checking out...other than

-the classic animated movies (which I refuse to call the "canon", because that cheapifies everything Disney really stands for)
-the previously mentioned classic shorts
-the anthology series (which Disney+ has some episodes of)
-the animated TV shows (which are being called Disney Channel originals, even though they aren't*)

Namely, I'm hoping that at some point, Disney+ will admit that The Disney Channel existed before 1996 (or the Playhouse Disney era, whichever came first). Otherwise, I would to say that this service is a joke, but I'm thinking that it's not that simple, especially since it's not avoiding the Disney vault...it IS the vault, although some parts are just "blocked off" right now. Still I'm holding out hope that it will happen at some point.

Also, Clock Cleaners; is that the original version, or is that the later version where Donald's "Says you!" is replaced because somebody thought it sounded like he was cursing?

*They're all made by Walt Disney TV Animation, but until Kim Possible (or so) none of them were made for The Disney Channel (although some of them did air on The Disney Channel at some point, but still).
 

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So the question is, where is the outdated cultural reference? Or is that just something they put there just in case somebody got the wrong idea somehow? If it is, then it would seem kind of paranoid, even for Disney..or at least I think so.
I would say in this ultra sensitivity era, the female tree being protected by the male tree is. Believe it or not.

And yes, Disney Channel existed back in the 80s when I was a kid. My parents had a stint of getting cable, and while I didn't have Disney exclusively, they had free preview times. Some of the major animated series like Ducktales and Chip N Dale debuted there.

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Some of the major animated series like Ducktales and Chip N Dale debuted there.
Debuted, yes, but ultimately those shows aired in syndication (and in some cases, also aired on ABC and even CBS) for their actual broadcast (although, I don't believe Ducktales was one of them; that one went straight to syndication). On the other hand, one exception was The New Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh, which aired on just ABC instead. Oh, yeah, and by "Chip N Dale", I assume you mean "Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers"...
 

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Okay, so somebody I know decided to get Disney+, and I decided to check it out through them (you know, because they asked, and I didn't want to seem ungrateful). I saw Flowers and Trees, the first Disney short made in color. Now there was a note saying (paraphrased) that it "may contain outdated cultural depictions".
Was it only this short? Did it appear on the other shorts? It's likely Disney could've just thrown that message on all their old stuff, regardless of content, and didn't want to take the time to individually check everything.
 
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Was it only this short? Did it appear on the other shorts? It's likely Disney could've just thrown that message on all their old stuff, regardless of content, and didn't want to take the time to individually check everything.
Yeah, that's what I gathered. Wouldn't it kill them to actually pre-screen these shorts to determine whether or not they actually merit these disclaimers?
 

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Was it only this short? Did it appear on the other shorts? It's likely Disney could've just thrown that message on all their old stuff, regardless of content, and didn't want to take the time to individually check everything.
I did a quick two-minute look around and it appears that most, if not all of the classic shorts have that disclaimer. The movies don’t unless they actually have racist stereotypes.
 

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So ELLIPSANIME (now owned by Dragaud/MediaToon) licensed the show from MTV NETWORKS International for distribution in the EMEA region. While EM.TV* used to own the show in Germany, German-Speaking Switzerland, German-Speaking Austria and German-Speaking Luxembourg. ELLIPSANIME handled distribution and licensing for the rest of EMEA when there were no Nick channels available at that time.
(*EM.TV was bought out by STUDIO 100 in 2008 so the German rights are currently with STUDIO 100 Deutschland)


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Ellipse was in fact a co-producer of the show, so their rights were not sub-licensed from MTVN International, but arranged with Nickelodeon directly. (Just the Nick years, as Disney didn't need such an arrangement.)
 
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I read that Hamilton contains some explicit language.

It was censored to be able to put on Disney+.

It should have been released under the 20th Century Studios brand on Hulu with all language intact. Censorship is wrong.
 

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I read that Hamilton contains some explicit language.

It was censored to be able to put on Disney+.

It should have been released under the 20th Century Studios brand on Hulu with all language intact. Censorship is wrong.
The problem with this isn't due to Disney, but rather a flawed rating system that would give films an R-rating due to the number of f-bombs dropped, yet would otherwise be fine to show to younger audiences (Billy Elliott is a big example). With there being a number of younger Hamilton fans (such as my 9-year old niece, who went to see the show on Broadway), Disney would prefer to show this on Disney+ instead of Hulu and are willing to make some sacrifices (i.e. censoring some F-bombs) to do so.
 
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I don't know if anyone that young should be seeing Hamilton either the movie or on Broadway. There's other curses besides the F-bomb in it too. I know that from reading the quotes section on IMDB. It is just not appropriate for the Disney label.

Having a PG-13 movie based on a Disney park attraction is one thing. But having a PG-13 movie based on material that Disney does not own is another. This is why Disney has 20th Century Studios.

And also, if you're gonna censor one curse word, you have to censor them all.

Honestly, if Disney truly wanted to release Hamilton under their label, they should have made an actual film adaptation with script changes to remove profanity, rather than just film a stage performance that keeps these words intact.
 

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I know I said this on the unpopular opinions thread on the Entertainment Board, but I don’t think Hamilton fits with the Disney + brand. It should be on Hulu. Even though the version that is on Disney + is edited, there is still a decent amount of foul language.

Also what is up with all these 9-year-olds being obsessed with Hamilton? Inside Edition did two different stories about kids throwing extravagant watch parties. My parents would have never let me watch something with an expletive soundtrack.
 
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I know I said this on the unpopular opinions thread on the Entertainment Board, but I don’t think Hamilton fits with the Disney + brand. It should be on Hulu. Even though the version that is on Disney + is edited, there is still a decent amount of foul language.

Also what is up with all these 9-year-olds being obsessed with Hamilton? Inside Edition did two different stories about kids throwing extravagant watch parties. My parents would have never let me watch something with an expletive soundtrack.
Some parents don't care, just as long as their kids is entertained with something, even if it's filled with profanities as such.

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Hamilton had to go to Disney Plus because Disney Plus needed something new to entice people.
Disney does need to clear up things though on what Disney Plus is supposed to be like is it supposed to be family friendly or it general audience? Why are some things moved to Hulu for content but other things are alright?

To me, It would make more sense to have everything on Hulu and not have a Disney Plus just because it would be cleaner than having two non sports streaming services. Have family stuff on Hulu called Disney Plus and non family called Hulu Originals or FX on Hulu for the FX made stuff. This is just an idea or whatever.

It's weird how un organized they seem to be on what this planning was in general.

I know I said this on the unpopular opinions thread on the Entertainment Board, but I don’t think Hamilton fits with the Disney + brand. It should be on Hulu. Even though the version that is on Disney + is edited, there is still a decent amount of foul language.

Also what is up with all these 9-year-olds being obsessed with Hamilton? Inside Edition did two different stories about kids throwing extravagant watch parties. My parents would have never let me watch something with an expletive soundtrack.
I think it's because it's based on history and parents and educators seemed to like that it was and it seems cool to keep kids' attention.
 
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Whether it fits with the brand or not, the purpose for Hamilton becoming available on the service was to aim it towards a marketable audience, hence why some language was censored and this doesn't rule out an uncut version on Hulu.
 
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