Well, I would have liked to have gotten more into Batman’s sex life, but of course that was impossible. At one point we wanted to do a story without dialogue – “Silent Knight” we called it. Never happened. We also wanted to do a Nocturna story – Bruce had drawn a hot model of her - but she’s a vampire, which would’ve involved bloodletting, which was a huge no-no for kids TV. I’m sure there were other stories we wanted to tell that went by the wayside, but they don’t come to mind. We mostly got to do what we wanted to do.
Check out this threadI didn't know about any of those episodes. What's the story behind them?
Aw man. That would've gone in all the top ten lists; it was the perfect show to try that kind of episode. The score spoke for itself anyway and that would have been its big chance to shine.At one point we wanted to do a story without dialogue – “Silent Knight” we called it. Never happened.
On a different note, Burnett wanted to do a “Silent Knight” story with no dialogue, based on Neal Adams’ “The Silent Night of the Batman.” They were later able to do something similar with the Batman/Catwoman short “Chase Me.”
Dini said they had an idea for doing a dream-like Sandman-type story with Morpheus and Death, with Batman stuck between life and death. They pitched to Neil Gaiman, who liked it, but Burnett thought it was too metaphysical. “I would do anything with Paul,” Burnett said. “I’d give him as much rope as he wanted – and he’d come in and say ‘I have this idea about Harley and ivy together,’ and I’d say, ‘Go!’” However, he added that they had rules in beginning: “No ghosts, and no Humanitas Awards.” (i.e., no Very Special Episodes about drugs and alcohol). “With Ra’s al Guhl, we got into that mystic area a bit.
Well, that also explains why we never got an adaptation of the early Batman story with the Mad Monk. It is ironic that The Batman was able to do a very loose adaptation of Batman versus Dracula by making it a direct-to-video movie.
He seems a lot more lenient about lending them to DC when someone at least asks him to use them. I know he gave Paul Cornell permission to use Death for his Action Comics run, and I've believed there have been other instances where Sandman characters have popped up with his permission .It's interesting that Neil Gaiman was into it, as he's notoriously protective of his Sandman characters.
Modern Masters/Eric Nolen-Weathington said:You had planned for some new villains for that second season [The Adventures of Batman and Robin]. There were plans for a Nocturna storyline.
Was that going to basically follow the storyline from the comics?
Bruce Timm said:Oh, yeah. That storyline in the comics was a really long, drawn out, soap operish kind of thing, and we were going to do at most a two-parter with it, trying to condense the best parts of those comics into one finite story. We never got far with it, because we knew that it was going to be tricky. We called up Fox and said, "We're thinking about doing this story, blah, blah, blah," and the minute we said vampires they said no. "Well what if we--?" "No." [laughter] "What if we never see fangs?" "No." "What if when Nocturna bites Batman it's all in the shadows?" "No. No, vampires, period." "What that's one not worth doing then."
Modern Masters/Eric Nolen-Weathington said:You had also planned for the Creeper to show up that season.
Bruce Timm said:Yeah, the Creeper show just didn't gel that first time around. We went back and forth on it, and a number of writers took a stab at it. It just never got to a point where we all felt happy with it, so we just dropped it.
A potentially intriguing Catwoman/Black Canary team-up was interrupted in midpitch to the network by their demand, "Where's Robin?" When the writers asked if they could omit Robin from just this one episode, Fox obliged by omitting the entire story.
There at least half a dozen full or partially completed stories in our dead script file that proved ultimately too complex or too silly to produce.
True, they've gone back and reused shelved scripts before like with Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths or that one episode of The Brave and The Bold. Speaking of, same series where they did a vampire Batman episode. heh. And even Timm finally got to do a vampire Batman on the upcoming Gods and Monsters movie.Ya know, it would be awesome to have Timm produce the Nocturna script as a DC movie. If it was a 2 parter, they have enough for a full length film.
True, they've gone back and reused shelved scripts before like with Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths or that one episode of The Brave and The Bold. Speaking of, same series where they did a vampire Batman episode. heh. And even Timm finally got to do a vampire Batman on the upcoming Gods and Monsters movie.
I think so. The Batman 75 short showed the classic Timm design could be.I'm just debating in my mind if they can pull off that classic BTAS design. Either way, that would be an awesome film to see. I wonder who they would've cast as Nocturna.
What was the Brave & Bold ep?
I think so. The Batman 75 short showed the classic Timm design could be.
I recall back in the day punkrockgirl fancasted Lara Parker as Nocturna.
Shadow of the Bat! from season 3.
Indeed.Hmmmm, Dark Shadows alum huh. Very interesting. I did a quick research, and I dig it.
Thanks for both. Forgot about that ep.
It's odd. Either one is right or they pitched it both times. In Modern Masters, Timm said it was for Adventures of Batman and Robin, while Dini there said it was the The New Batman Adventures.Okay, thanx for the link. That places it in perspective for me, cause I was thought this idea was back in the FOX Kids time period. Dini states in that link it was later in WB days.
I would've prefered the FOX Kids era, when it was still processed in dark on dark.
-What stories didn’t they get to do? One idea was a vampire story with Nocturna from the comics. The idea was that that she bites Batman and next morning Alfred comes in and pulls the curtain and Bruce’s skin starts to bubble and burn…but Fox said “No vampires.”
-On a different note, Burnett wanted to do a “Silent Knight” story with no dialogue, based on Neal Adams’ “The Silent Night of the Batman.” They were later able to do something similar with the Batman/Catwoman short “Chase Me.”
Originally, there was a plan to show Ra's al Ghul in three time periods -- fighting Jonah Hex in the old west, Enemy Ace in World War I and Batman in the present. The creators couldn't find room for Enemy Ace, and instead just went with Hex in "Showdown"
At the conclusion of the first episode of a proposed two-parter, Batman would return home after fighting the female vampire Nocturna. Come morning, when the sunlight fell on Bruce's legs, they'd start to smoke! Both Fox and WB said no way vampires could be on Saturday mornings, let alone their main character become one.