Neo Ultra Mike
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So wait have you seen movies and shows after Far from Home or not? Because quite honestly if you decided Far From Home was enough for you and you were done... then you really shouldn't be making this topic because if you're done with the MCU then your past being tired about it and even tired of really talking about it so it feels like you're just trying to pick fights making threads like this. Like if you were still watching and generally trying to be interested but nothing is piquing your enjoyment like previous phases fair enough. But different if you've already given up.
The problem is that Marvel and DC Comics themselves love that trope so when you're adapting their work there are bound to be a lot of those. I admit though that is an aspect they do really need to work around better. Stuff like the TVA and Multiverse Illumanti I'm fine with because they naturally do operate outside of the MCU world so we normally wouldn't hear of it but now that we have a more solid idea of the MCU world and how things operate pulling that sort of stuff constantly is getting pretty old and not enjoyably old either.
That's not really correct. There are ideas mapped out of how to work into each phase that are thought of a fair amount ahead of time. Like for instance what movies to introduce each of the Infinity Stones in the Infinity Saga. It's just there is a freedom given to the crew working on the movie to do the story they want best and dependent on the movie some notes given of how to best connect it to the other movies in the Cinematic Universe. Thus there are obviously plans that do feed on one another but a fair amount of things naturally are going to be flexible as well.
... Why? I know the point of the thread is asking if you're tired of the MCU but... did you just see Iron Man and dislike it and not care about what happened next? Feels kind of weak just to say that without any sort of follow up IMHO.
Well you have to remember that in the planning of phase 2 and even Phase 3, Ike Perlmutter was in charge of Marvel and he was the sexist/racist d-bag who didn't want movies starring female characters or people of color. He only agreed on Black Panther and Carol Danvers Captain Marvel (movies Feige really wanted to do, wanting to keep introducing new characters to the fold) due to Perlmutter wanting to make an Inhumans movie aka a project no one else at Marvel was interested in. Perlmutter though was thankfully slapped out (I thought for awhile it was due to Age of Ultron not doing as well as Avengers and that giving Feige leverage to have him booted away but turns out it was because Perlmutter had this stupid demand for how Captain America Civil War needed to end neither Feige nor the directors/writers of that movie were on board with thus threatened to walk out if that was kept and that was able to get Perlmutter taken out of that spot) but that was after the Phase 3 plans were already underway and they had to work in Spider Man movies as well as an Ant Man sequel into the mix. I believe Feige did always plan a Black Widow movie but it would have been some time after that but then she died in Endgame so there was probably some figuring out how to make a film work but they pulled out the prequel idea and the movie did come out. And yeah Black Widow wasn't planned when introduced in Iron man 2 to have her own movie (which is a whole story in itself see my Black Widow movie review for that) but again that was more Perlmutter's fault then Feige's.
Long story short; An Ant Man movie was originally planned in the first phase of the MCU to be written and directed by Edgar Wright as yeah the original Avengers movie was suppose to have Ant Man in it since Ant Man (and Wasp who at one point was planned to be introduced in the Avengers movie) were part of the original team line up. However the inner workings of how to get that movie to work and the fine detailing of the script kept pushing that movie back and it kept having to be retooled. Eventually though it was ready to be reworked as the end of Phase 2 films but at that point Marvel team wanted to do another rewrite to the movie to put in elements of the universe into that movie that Wright didn't want to do. Which led to a back and forth and Wright off the project with Peyton Reed taking over. Which was a decent controversey at the time (especially with how beloved Wright was as a director) but again feel like that was more a Perlmutter issue of wanting to force in more connections especially as Perlmutter was behind those "Thor needs to know about the other Infinity Stones to reference the upcoming Avengers film" notes Whedon had to put into his script of Age of Ultron that no one liked.
Again I do really feel that the people getting sick of the MCU are mostly people who don't really know or care about how comics or these longer works in media go in general. Like yeah some shows or films have a set amount you shouldn't really go over but if the MCU is representing the comics then the comics continue on having events and having the world go on making new stories even after major reality shifting moments or seemingly conclusive ends. The MCU is better then the comics since they can end certain elements and bits you wouldn't see happen in the comics (where eventually it always shifts back to Tony Stark as Iron Man and Steve Rogers as Captain America which won't be the case for the MCU going forward) but that doesn't mean they aren't taking the ever expanding and adding new elements for various other stories factor the comics have. Stuff like Naruto and One Piece probably have more definite endings (well Naruto had an ending but then due to popularity it had spin offs and sequels that are now their own thing) but I still get the "I'm aware of what I'm enjoying and that it won't have the clean cut ending a lot of other properties do have" feeling Gold Guy.
No it makes sense as actors are going to want to do other things and some of these characters you can only do so much with and want to focus on telling other stories so I get wanting to move on and tell new stories with new characters but using familiar elements. Again the comics do that all the time but the difference is the movies/shows are likely going to stick with those changes. In the comics Sam Wilson was Captain America for awhile... but it eventually went back to Steve Rogers. Do not expect that to be the case for Captain America going forward even if someone else other then Anthony Mackie's Wilson plays the character it won't be Chris Evans/Steve Rogers again.
Again more casual movie fans who don't get what Marvel is trying to do. Also the MCU had advertised Spider Man Far From Home after Endgame and obviously that ended on a cliffhanger so that kind of showed "yeah no there's still much more story to be told" about this whole thing.
