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What are you most excited for

  • The Simpsons

    Votes: 7 36.8%
  • Family Guy

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Bless the Harts

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • The Great North

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Bob's Burgers

    Votes: 10 52.6%
  • Duncanville

    Votes: 8 42.1%

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The Simpsons "Go Big Or Go Homer"

This review is probably going to be a bit longer and more involved than this episode warrants, but I want to sort of get across every reason the episode worked. I do a ton of long reviews describing how things on any given TV show went wrong. This episode hands me a golden opportunity to do a long review about what went right. Because there was a lot, and I'd kind of like to explore it in-depth.

To continue my review from last week, Al Jean did some things this summer that absolutely disgusted me, and the show sort of had to win me back. It didn't last week, but this was a good start. What did Al Jean do that was so offensive to me? He banned the episode Stark Raving Dad, because it turned out Michael Jackson was a pedophile. And that angered me for a lot of reasons, and since this IS going to be a long review, I might as well hash it out. First off, these kinds of rumors surrounded Jackson for years, even when he was hired back in season 3. If Jean really cared about that kind of thing, the show never would have cast him. But he didn't because nobody back in the early 90's did. Which is why I'm disgusted he's using 2019 standards to ban an episode. Nobody asked him to do that either. He just got a LOT of deserved crap for how badly he handled the Apu controversy and instead of actually learning from it, he tries to get ahead of the scandal by doing something nobody asked. I was on the side that Apu needed to go, but I and nobody else who wanted him dropped from the show ever wanted any episode he appeared in to be banned, or him edited out of ones that he could be. That's stupid, and Jean's way to give himself some unearned progressive bonafides after so badly botching how Apu was handled. Except this struck me as a controversy Jean himself sought out. It sets a bad precedent too. Recently it's been revealed Matt Groening himself was a "guest" of Jeffrey Epstein's. Does he want to ban every previous Simpsons episode now? This is something that is going to spin out of control, and hurt the show in the long run. And if Jean were truly concerned about victims, he never would have hired Julian Assange, a known rapist, to do a voice a few seasons ago. And the fact that Assange is a rapist is not disputable to me. What he's already admitted to is legally rape. Assange's defense boils down to "I don't agree that should be called rape." But he doesn't get to decide that. Society does. And knowing this, Jean hired him anyways. Basically, I'm pissed at Jean for taking advantage of the MeToo movement to give himself cover for being such a d-word about Apu. It was ugly, and in a career in which Jean has done a ton of ugly things in the name of the show, it offended me more than anything else.

So that's out there. Moving on to the compliments (and there are many). I think the episode had a great premise. Surprisingly, it was not a "can't miss", golden premise. If the show didn't stick the landing, it wouldn't have worked. But the show delivered a satisfying ending, when most shows would not be able to think of one.

Here is why I love the premise of Homer having a person who considers him a mentor. As the episode goes on, you realize the "kid" Mike is not misguided. Because in every way that matters, Homer is a superior person to him at work and at home. Him looking up to Homer is reasonable because he sucks so much himself. Do you know how hard it is to come up with a subtext that layered, and smart enough to be revealed a piece at a time? That is not easy at all. And then to have the ending that he becomes a success because of Homer's advice, simply by being corrupt criminal, and having Homer being impressed by that? That's smart, that's subversive. It's everything the show was celebrated for in its heyday. And maybe you can say that the show should be doing this every week because they did that every week during the best early seasons, but I think part of the problem is that they did SO much genius stuff in the early years, that it's understandable they have a hard time coming up with not only a fresh premise, but a good, solid ending for the premise. I repeat: That is not easy, and The Simpsons' biggest problem during the wilderness years was perhaps the fact that they simply may have used up all of their good ideas early on. But even if this premise is not as can't miss as Homer working for a Bond villain, or a conman selling Springfield a monorail, the fact that the premise cannot be distilled in a single sentence doesn't mean it isn't fresh and clever. It just had to be a little bit more complicated, and the subtext needed to be a little bit deeper to keep things fresh. It is an incredibly tough thing to navigate, especially for a show that seems to have already done it all, and the premise worked.

I mistakenly thought the best moment in the episode occurred near the beginning. But the episode kept giving us great moments after it so I was wrong. But the scene at the beginning that I loved was the look of disgust on Homer's face as everyone is celebrating at Lenny's party while he angrily stares at Mr. Burns' huge, vulgar signature and steams that he didn't pitch in. I like that moment because it shows a clear line of personal etiquette for Homer against a guy whose abuse he always puts up with without a word of complaint. As seen later in the episode, that's still true. I like that this crossed his line of moral decency and truly bothered him. And I love learning things about Homer at this late date. Believe it or not, it's one of the few things the later seasons have been completely successful about.

I like and fear Mike right off the bat. His completely true and mean observations of his coworkers ridiculous surface faults suggest the character is insightful and smart. But again, the genius thing is that as the episode goes along, you realize his only gifts are insults and complaining.

I detest Bart Simpson. With every fiber of my being. So I had Lisa's reactions to Mike blowing up at him. I love that Marge and Homer are appalled, and Bart shows his true wuss colors and cries like a punk. Big man can dish it out but he can't take it. I repeat: I DETEST Bart Simpson.

After that Mike's rant against Mr. Burns didn't rate. He didn't say anything about Burns that hasn't been said before, and I like his Bart rant precisely because nobody ever says stuff like that to Bart. The last memorable moment of a character doing that was Ned Flanders making fun of his lame catch-phrases in "Hurricane Neddy". But Mike's insults were better because they made him cry, the poor, little snowflake that he is. I enjoyed his tears very much.

I love Homer saying the guy being 35 is a surprise because he has a job of a 20 year old, and talks like a 10 year old. Which summed up both Mike and the premise of the episode beautifully. Anyone wants further proof that Homer is secretly insightful, go to that scene.

I'm still mad at Jean. But I think I can look past it when watching the show week in and week out. To be honest, what Jean has done is obnoxious, but not unforgivable for me. I don't ever expect to ever truly enjoy another Pixar film again because of John Lasseter. This episode says I'll probably forgive Jean at some point. Besides this is not the first crappy thing he's done (his cheap shots at Family Guy come to mind, as does the entirety of the appalling The Critic) and it probably won't be the last. It will probably be better if I get over it now. And this great episode makes that easier. ****1/2.




Bob's Burgers "Boys Just Wanna Have Fungus"

When Bob says Gene is the perfect size to hunt for mushrooms, I am very aware he JUST said he was thinking about him with an apple in his mouth. I shuddered a bit.

Gene is Draco Malfoy because he's "Slitherin'". I would have been Snape. Snape is cool. Nobody likes Malfoy. I don't get why Gene owned that particular thing while he could have been Double-O Severus.

Bob says that he doesn't want to buy the mushrooms at that price because he's have to charge 20 dollars a burger: Here's an opinion: Even if he found the mushrooms himself he should still do that. That's what they are actually worth. Am I wrong in thinking that?

Tina's stuff was funny because Louise was funny, but Tina continues her recent trend of being too dumb to be either sympathetic or plausible. It's kind of annoying. It's only tolerable because Louise is throwing her unseen shade. If we didn't have Louise's sardonic insults at her expense, Tina would be super annoying.

That was an okay episode. ***1/2.




Family Guy "Bri-Da"

That was awkward, but a bit necessary. The show did SO wrong by Ida in her first appearance, that this is sort of a do-over for her. I appreciate Brian growing as a person, at least about this one thing, and I loved Quagmire actually trying and failing to stand Brian. It amazes me how badly Ida's first episode comes across in hindsight. It was only like five years ago. Which I think why the episode used the timeframe on that joke it did.

It also did a very interesting joke that I can't decide if it is true. But Ida is watching porn on her phone, the guy says she can't be watching that in here, Ida says she's transgendered, and the guy apologizes, and says she can do what she wants. I don't find that very true to life for how transgendered people are treated. On the other hand, I feel some behavior is given a LOT of slack because of liberal guilt, and trying to understand other cultures more than we should. A perfect example is Japanese rape culture, and the fetishizing and exploitation of young girls in anime. I find that abhorrent. But I'm not supposed to say that because putting down an entire culture is considered racist. But even if that's true, it's still abhorrent, whether I'm chastised for saying it or not. Same goes for how women and gays are subjugated in the Middle East. I don't believe I am under any obligations to understand or respect that idea. And even if I don't believe transgendered people ARE afforded that level of doubt, the joke interests me because there is some truth to it when applied to other scenarios.

Man, that previous paragraph might land me in trouble. Which is why the joke interested me in the first place.

The show has gotten so bad lately, that it amazes me what I'll accept and like and tolerate. It also tells me I am a much less picky viewer than some of my reviews would indicate. But I'll still give that a positive review, even though The Simpsons won the night on Fox. ***1/2.
 
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"Go Big Or Go Homer" - I remember them talking in the Season 8 Commentary for "Homer's Enemy" that they wanted the premise of that episode to be "what if someone from the real world came into contact with Homer Simpson" and had two options for how to go about it; the one they went for is being disgusted and annoyed with his stupidity and laziness and incompetence and growing a massive grudge against the guy because they felt that would be more comedic, but the other idea was that someone from our world would actually idealize and appreciate Homer for who he is and look up to him and that was the other premise they thought up. It's weird how it's taken really well 22+ years to actually see that in action but yeah that's pretty much what we have here; someone who joins the plant who is a huge Homer Simpson fan and Homer having to deal with it. Which you know in the wrong hands could be easily annoying. Like honestly lesser writers would of just made him a constant obnoxious fan boy that even Homer just gets sick of and tells to go away sick of his butt kissing antics but I like how they don't do that. Instead they actually do give Mike a full backstory and explain why someone like him would idolize Homer. And actually give him a surprisingly happy ending (well I guess the last shot of him being upset of homer getting cut in half by the stage magic but eh Homer would be fine they clarified the stage magic is fake earlier so yeah still happy ending) and yeah thinking about it this has so many parallels to "Homer's Enemy" except you see the obvious twist in there. Instead of the confusion and sort of upset look Homer has at the idea of someone hating him and not wanting to be enemies him being overjoyed at having a mentor was great. Plus I also like how instead of everyone just being fine or tolerant of homer like the earlier episode this one has Homer want to have someone look up to him because of how most everyone looks down on him. Then you have Mike actually overjoyed to see Homer Work and then yeah the dinner scene where instead of Frank going into a tangent yell about all of Homer's acheivements and accomplishments (side note: I did always like that as it honestly felt like the first time the show admitted to "okay we can't really paint the Simpsons as the underdogs if you look over what Homer and them have compared to what they should so let's actually point that out from someone who would really be an underdog") to Mike actually impressed with the dinner and actually having a happy family and his only rant coming from yelling at Bart and getting upset and that resulting in Marge kicking him out. The stuff with the pizza slice and food truck with Fat Tony backing though is more "The Twisted World Of Marge Simpson" and though mob v mob ending of that is funnier, this is honestly more well written of the Mob actually really liking the food and Tony actually agreeing to a deal of taking of sports gambling to help pay for the truck. I admit that's a lot smarter then I was expecting and I appreciate them ending just with Homer feeling good about doing a good mentoring job (since hey he did save Mike's live suggesting the deal to Fat Tony) and then the photo barrage and not really having anything else. Heck the fact this one didn't have any opening credits and just went straight in also shows how well the show used time. Like even the stuff with the birthday card was actually establishing Homer does care for his friends and will step over lines to try and make something right and then the bit with Mr. Burns highlighted not only the reason Homer would meet Mike but also gave a reason for Homer to tell Mike about Burns later on to bring them to that low point leading to the deal with the mob. It actually felt pretty well thought out which a lot of Simpsons episodes don't (last week for instance) but props to this one for nipping that trend. So yeah solid ep. I admit didn't have the greatest collection of jokes (though I did like the entire family upset about the whole card thing, the signature stabbing Marge and later popping up in another little dream sequence, Burns gun being over 200 years old that's why it didn't kill Mike and one of the food trucks obviously having the same idea Mike did) but really solid plot and finally using a story idea they've been sitting on for 20 years which honestly works a lot better now then it did before so yeah good stuff.

Bob's Burgers "Boys Just Wanna Have Fungus" - You know for as entertaining as Bob's Burgers can be I do admit a pattern I am noticing with a lot of episodes is the family getting screwed out of something nice over and over again by fate or by jerks which can be rather annoying to see over and over again. Granted that's the case for a lot of animated sitcom families but the Simpsons and the Griffins aren't anywhere near as just generally pleasant as the Belcher's overall so you do feel more bad for them. Which is why I'm glad that in the end Bob and Gene were able to at least get a few mushrooms away and they didn't all get taken by those three mushroom stealing jerks. So at least it seems there was a generally more positive experience. I also like the whole plot of Tina getting new glasses and Louise tricking her into having super powers if only for the bit of Teddy desperate to write something down and then later bailing for fried pizza bits. And the Super Tina song Linda sang at the end I admit was great. Old 70's Wonder Woman parodies are a bit old hat at this point but this show when doing references throws more of it's goofy charm into it and I like the actual spinning resulting in losing the glasses and then Gene just picking them up and giving them to Tina. And I admit Gene had some particular good zingers this week like wanting to sleep under the logs or "you're lucky I'm not here or my dad would jump up and kick you all in the face" and the whole bit about preparing for the apocalypse. Kind of a more standard episode and last week's was probably more sweet and sort of interesting but honestly this has a more positive ending for me so I would probably give a bit more points.

Family Guy "Bri-Da" - *Rolls eyes* Are they seriously trying to "you guys don't get it" with the fans for not liking the ending of last week's episode? Like seriously that just makes THEM look bad. First off as I already pointed out in my previous review, THEY ALREADY DID THAT JOKE! In "Lois Kills Stewie" where it was not only more relevant to when the Sorpranos came out but you know actually was a joke because they were MOCKING what happen and calling it and themselves out instead of you know just the lazy non ending. Second off the Sorpranos last bit wasn't on an actual cliff hanger. The whole point of it was you didn't exactly know what was going to happen to Tony and his family going forward: were they just going to get shot down at the restaurant? Were they going to just have a nice dinner and go home? It's hard to say but with Tony still in his business there is always going to be that chance and you're always going to fill that unease which was the point of the ending. Compared to nearly drowning because of a ship accident which you just showed them back fine without explaining why so yeah it wasn't an ending that really felt like you were parodying or getting the point or even acknolwedging something just again being lazy for the sake of lazy. Seriously if you guys wanted to spoof an ending of a HBO series, why don't you just have Dracaris the Dragon from Game of Thrones fly in and everyone get on and burn the boat and then when someone asks why Peter just says "cause it's symbolic" and then end it there. I mean it's random and ridiculous sure but at least it's an ending and an actual joke compared to the nothing we got last time. And to try and actual double down that was a good ending because you got backlash for it just shows how petty you are and...

Okay now I'm just rambling on one joke when there's the entire episode to get to and... you know I think the writers believe that Quagmire is always going to be in the right because of how pompous and obnoxious they've made Brian in their own little rivarly but they forget how terrible a person Glen is and that honestly sometimes it's actually making an effort that shows someone is better. Yeah Brian is still a jerk but they actually did show getting over his fears and committing to and admitting to the relationship with Ida and not hiding it. Could it partially have been out of spite to get back at Glen especially with the whole "oh let me act like a dad" bits? I guess but it did seem like he was generally trying to make the effort. But since the one thing this show loves more then the status quo is Glen winning their rivarly even when he's in the wrong he gets to be a big man baby and easily play the "date this person who loves you that I hate even when they are trying to be nice to me and I'll never have a relationship with you again" and just get away with it. Which is really the wrong decision. Is Ida perhaps too nice to Brian even though he has his obvious obvious flaws? Sure but they're in love... well as much in love as you can believe ANY characters in this universe being too one another but again Quagmire has to act like a little baby just because of his own pathetic little issues. Man did he seriously belong to be put at the kids team because that's pretty much what he was acting like in the last act. Which BTW is not SUPPOSED to be his character. Peter's the big baby man child but Glen's supposed to generally be smarter then that but hey if it lets him win guess that's what the team decided on. Granted no one in this comes out a saint with Brian's earlier antics in the space station but again at least feels like he grew from that and even the family being their usual judgmental a-holes on "well Brian and Ida would have no one else" attitude at least they are giving support to the relationship. Glen though sucks and just gets his way and yeah that's a lame way to end this. I admit the 3 Billboard reference and Brian admitting he can't do mirrors along with Glen talking about Night at the Museum and his love for it were good moments but yeah that ending really sinks my opinion of this one. I mean the rest of it was certainly better and props to htis week for actually having an episode WITH AN ENDING but man we better get a "Quagmire you suck" speech at some point in the future because he is certainly owed one.
 
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I was rather "meh" on Family Guy (I only watched it because I was watching Bob's Burgers and was too lazy to change the channel), but that monster truck rally commerical was LOL.
 

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That was awkward, but a bit necessary. The show did SO wrong by Ida in her first appearance, that this is sort of a do-over for her. I appreciate Brian growing as a person, at least about this one thing, and I loved Quagmire actually trying and failing to stand Brian. It amazes me how badly Ida's first episode comes across in hindsight. It was only like five years ago. Which I think why the episode used the timeframe on that joke it did.

Actually "Quagmire's Dad" aka the episode that introduced Dan Quagmire and had him transition into Ida Quagmire was part of season 8 all the way back in 2010. So yeah that episode is over 9 years old. Heck it's actually one of the last episodes BEFORE the big HD switch (I think the last FOX Cartoon to do so actually) so yeah that was not at the middle of the decade but at the start of it. I think we've seen a couple of jokes/references in other Ida appearances that try to point out "okay NOW being trans is much more a cool thing not to joke as much about" but yeah due to no one calling the Griffins out on their crap in that episode it does come off worse. Like a lot of the intent especially for the time of "Quagmire's Dad" is good and props to the show actually not just having Ida transistion back or anything and I know some people in the LBGTQ+ community enjoy it but as solid as the intentions are yeah it is good to redo that... granted the Griffins are still jerks not called out for being so and now we got Glent's whining winning out but still progress I suppose.
 

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If there's anything Trans-Fat and Bri-Ida have one thing in common is that they both managed to be massive improvements over the mess that was Quagmire's Dad. Of course, I wasn't looking forward to this due to the fact that Tom Devanney wrote it, thinking it was a cool idea to revisit that part of "Quagmire's Dad" where Brian and Ida hook up and they did anyway. But to my surprise, the trans jokes aren't as painful as they were in that episode. Yes, there were another little Brian-Quagmire conflict, but it wasn't the entire episode. Still, I just hope they don't visit this kind of stuff again...unfortunately, we're going to have another Brian vs Quagmire plot next month with episode Cat Fight.

Still in the midst of reviewing Bless the Harts, and honestly this episode was more or less on par with the previous episode. Though I hate how they managed to air the third episode in production order as the first episode. And yes, this was actually the first episode produced for the show since it's written by the creator. I do wish they explore more of the subplot with Violet's art since it only show up in the beginning and ending.
 

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And so this season, "Bob's Burgers" joins "Family Guy" in airing a typical run-of-the-mill episode alongside the Simpsons' "Treehouse of Horror."
 

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The Simpsons "The Fat Blue Line"

That was a good week. For sure.

This had to be the biggest role ever for Johnny Tightlips. He has literally never said so much before. If the show can still break its own records 30 years later, that's a good thing.

I love San Castellaneta. I also love that Fat Tony's uncle is there for Burning Man because he always wanted to see a crunchy naked chick fall off a bicycle. What a great way to put that.

The elephant joke. Oh, the elephant joke. That is precisely the kind of bad joke the series would do during The Wilderness Years. It's random, it's not funny, and it doesn't even make sense. This was a specialty of the early years of Al Jean as showrunner. We seem to have (mostly) moved past this kind of thing. But the show still occasionally backslides. That was a legitimately awful joke.

I love Chief Wiggum speculating that the most romantic part of a good marriage is inertia. You've seen Homer. Is he actually wrong about that?

The sucking the bullet out thing at the end was a bad joke too, simply because that's not how you treat bullet wounds, and wouldn't save Homer's life. He'd just lose a lot of blood a lot faster. You can accuse me of overthinking a crass joke, but I don't tolerate crass jokes if they are stupid.

I think the show failed the showtunes joke because they built it up a little too much. Showtunes from an old Italian guy would be much less shocking than to see him bumping and grinding to The Spice Girls while wearing Hello Kitty pajamas. I've seen a LOT in popular culture in the past 30 years. There are a LOT more legitimately embarrassing secrets than that. The writers of this show are clearly fogeys.

Great Jason Momoa cameo. But ever notice that almost all of the show's cameos from big stars playing themselves are super degrading? The producers obviously know nothing about the guy besides the fact that he played Aquaman a couple times, and they seem to be punishing him because they don't remember him on Game of Thrones. Family Guy does a LOT of embarrassing guest turns too (see James Woods and Patrick Stewart, not to mention Adam West) but the difference there is the producers clearly love and respect the actors, and are fans, and the humor is done through making them say things they would never otherwise say (Sam Elliot's Family Guy turn last year was a master class of this idea). I don't think the producers of The Simpsons like or know the first thing about the celebrities they cast. Remember Britney Spears? She actually introduced herself as "Teen Sensation Britney Spears." How lazy was that? Obviously the writers did their research on her. Eyeroll. Or Justin Timberlake repeatedly saying the word "Word"? Or Mark Hamill playing himself doing dinner theater despite the fact that he had a legit voice acting career after Star Wars? I feel bad for the cameo superstars because the producers obviously don't give the slightest crap about them. It's amazing The Simpson is as great as it is, and made the impact on society it did. Because the writers are all super lazy and are actually ignorant of pop culture. Which blows my mind.

Speaking of which, why isn't Dawnn Lewis afforded a Special Guest Voice credit? She DID used to have lead roles on A Different World and Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, both successful network sitcoms. The lady who does the voices for the automated telephone operator gets a Special Guest Voice credit for a single line in Season 6, but Dawnn Lewis doesn't? That don't sit right with me, producers. That don't sit right at all.

I liked the episode though. A lot. Rereading my review it seems like I did nothing but complain, but that was actually a solid Simpsons. ****.




Bob's Burgers "Motor, She Boat"

Gene was great this episode. I love his team name being "Mom Genes" (they fit great!) and Eugene Mirman's line reading on "Is this Heaven?" was sublime. But my favorite Gene moment is after Linda tells Mike the Mailman that they are out of coffee Gene says to him, "You love us." Bob's Burgers really knows how to end a string of jokes on a strong line.

Too Sharin' Karen was an apt nickname. What a gross woman. Can you really get addicted to lip balm? Those are probably the lamest junkies ever.

That was solid. ***1/2.




Family Guy "Absolutely Babulous"

Was it a dream sequence or not? This show cannot stick the landing.

The episode mostly sucked, but I like the idea that Babs is secretly like Peter. Why did he say "Yuck" when she kissed him? Didn't he actually want to have sex with her at one point?

Is that old theater warning real? Old people reading, just so you know, your generation sucked.

I love the "Go with it" runner. SO funny.

I think Brian is always way too mean to Stewie. And the way he's mean to him is to make him feel bad for being a baby. Stewie has a ton of very real faults. But Brian is only annoyed by the things that Stewie doesn't know any better about. Brian's as big of a jerk as the theater warning guy.

I'm giving the episode a negative (or rather mediocre) grade, but I think the gag that represented why I mostly disliked the episode can be summed up with Stewie saying, "He's earned that." That sums up how much the Sethverse writers suck to a T. They repeatedly act like Herbert's pedophilia is a harmless character quirk instead of the sick violent crime it actually is. I would not ever be surprised if Seth MacFarlane got taken down by the MeToo movement. Honestly, I'd miss The Orville, but the mindset about that subject on his cartoons says there are probably bodies buried beneath the floorboards.

So, yeah, not a fan of this week. The Simpsons slightly edged out Bob's Burgers to win the night. **1/2.
 

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I kinda liked how this week's Bob's Burgers kinda sorta addressed one reason the restaurant probably doesn't make much money, by having the Belchers run off and doing something for the episode, so it has to be closed. That would be a great premise for an episode, Bob telling Linda no matter what happens or what comes up, they have to stay and keep the restaurant open for a day or two.
 

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So now we've had Jason Mamoa show up on The Simpsons, this show is now owned by Disney you'd think they'd start using Marvel Stars instead of being 2-0 for DC vs Marvel Cinematic characters.
 

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Great Jason Momoa cameo. But ever notice that almost all of the show's cameos from big stars playing themselves are super degrading? The producers obviously know nothing about the guy besides the fact that he played Aquaman a couple times, and they seem to be punishing him because they don't remember him on Game of Thrones.

Okay rewatching it again sans a quick bit from Patty and Selma about wanting him to sign their boobs, the only person Momoa interacts with any is Mayor Quimby. Who if you remember Marge Vs The Monorail, does not really know anything about celebrities whatsoever.

MAYOR QUIMBY: And might I say, may the force be with you.
LEONARD NIMOY: You don't know who I am do you?
MAYOR QUIMBY: I think I do. Aren't you one of the Little Rascals?

Him actually calling him stuff like "Aqua Dude" and "Wet Panther" is actually closer to getting the actor write then we've seen previously. I will admit that with a lot of current stars the writers do seem a bit more out of their depths but I think they try more then Family Guy who just seems annoyed/bitter at having to modern more relevant pop culture. Though I am looking forward to them doing an Aquaman joke now where even they have to admit how much a hit the movie and it's leading character are.



Speaking of which, why isn't Dawnn Lewis afforded a Special Guest Voice credit? She DID used to have lead roles on A Different World and Hangin' With Mr. Cooper, both successful network sitcoms. The lady who does the voices for the automated telephone operator gets a Special Guest Voice credit for a single line in Season 6, but Dawnn Lewis doesn't? That don't sit right with me, producers. That don't sit right at all.

I think it's because Dawnn Lewis at this point is a recurring guest star who has voiced characters in various episodes and they don't really credit those with special guest stars even though they should like with Kevin Michael Richardson and the like.



The episode mostly sucked, but I like the idea that Babs is secretly like Peter. Why did he say "Yuck" when she kissed him? Didn't he actually want to have sex with her at one point?

Because Peter is a contradictory idiot with barely any coherent thoughts driving him whatsoever. Heck in that whole speech before he also bad mouthed Babs even though he had just complimented here.


I think Brian is always way too mean to Stewie. And the way he's mean to him is to make him feel bad for being a baby. Stewie has a ton of very real faults. But Brian is only annoyed by the things that Stewie doesn't know any better about. Brian's as big of a jerk as the theater warning guy.

Okay I'm actually going to have to fully disagree with that one. First off Stewie is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy meaner to Brian anytime Brian does or says anything. And granted usually because of Brian's smugness but the retort and quip are far meaner then the ones Brian makes and typically Stewie goes more out of the way to mess with Brian. Like say when he was annoyed at him at his Home Depot esque job and just got him fired from it because... he was I guess talking too much about workmanship things. Second off with stuff like this Brian at least is usually coming from a point of "you shouldn't be getting all this attention or gloating for doing nothing" just like when pointing out Stewie moving to different colored rooms in preschool wasn't an accomplishment because he knows Stewie can actually do more. Unlike everyone else who either feeds him terrrible lies or doesn't care (seen with the family fake eating pie here) Brian actually does know Stewie's potential more thus pushes him. Heck he even apologized to him for the comments so honestly this is actually one Brian's much better portrayal in recent episodes really as only his "I thought you said we before instead of I" felt really jerky and even that was a much more minor offense. Heck Stewie burned down the house and only Brian realized that but only said later "you know maybe you burning the house is a good thing."


Anyway here are my thoughts on this episode.

The Simpsons "The Fat Blue Line" - You know I do like episodes that actually show instead of just being a bumbling or idiotic or goofy out of touch cop that Chief Wiggum can very occassionally actually be sort of competent at his job. Most of these times though they either don't amount to anything or don't really end so much of him cracking the case or getting anything from it. "Homer Vs The 18th Amendment" did have him launch Rex Banner away but Wiggum only got that because Homer felt sorry for him before and that still didn't really stop the problem. "Prankster Rap" actually had him inadvertedly solve the case except go after and arrest an innocent man and the only comfort we got was everyone being fine with "the lie" in a not ending. But here in him actually believing in Fat Tony and busting him out to reveal the real person behind the wallet robbery he truly did solve the case and catch his perp. And you know I have to admit who did it actually was a good twist. Because you think it's one of the newer characters created here like San Canstenetella or the new chief of police brought in especially because though they set up Johnny Tight Lips in the beginning that was done in essentially a cutaway whose only importance I figured was just establishing Fat Tony was around if anything especially because the Simpsons have done bigger stretches just to have Fat Tony make a minor cameo of three lines then disappear. Because yeah this is shockingly a mostly Fat Tony and Chief Wiggum episode and though we have seen the two interact before I don't think they were ever specifically stars of the episodes in doing so which is strange considering the comedic possiblities of having a mobster and a law man be forced to interact with one another. I also do appreciate that it really wasn't Fat Tony and though yeah he is obviously a ganster and a stereotype even he has his own weird set of ethics and though pitched with maybe a bit too few references to the Sopranos finale the whole everyone has a gun ending climax was a good way to end this ep. Again I do like characters having some form of victory when they feel like they deserve that and that's certainly the case with Tony here and again having it actually tie in with the Italian fesitival does give more a reason for the first act to exist so props on that. There were also a lot of solid jokes like Homer saying Jesus's dad is loaded, Wiggum forgetting Eddie's name when talking about the three being a team for so long, "Please just literally forget about everything else I've done and trust me", Fat Tony winking about getting a wire, Wiggum talking about Ralphie getting a good night's sleep after thinking a taser is his tooth brush, Fat Tony getting Eddie Squealer to reveal what happened and the ending of Wiggum Homer and Fat Tony eating italian pasta. Perhaps not as good as the last episode as yeah there were some dud jokes (Kent's barrage of puns here wern't that good and did we really need a joke of Homer praying as well?) but still pretty solid episode that at least shows the series is getting better at constructing it's plots.

Will later edit this to talk about Bob's Burgers and Family Guy.
 

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Ratings for the last two weeks:
October 6:
Simpsons: 5,634,000
Bless the Harts: 2,989,000
Bob’s Burgers: 2,343,000
Family Guy: 2,311,000
October 13:
Simpsons: 2,134,000
Bless the Harts: 1,470,000
Bob’s Burgers: 1,640,000
Family Guy: 1,824,000

High ratings for The Simpsons on October 6 due to an NFL game airing before it. Bless the Harts and Bob’s Burgers hit lows on the 13th.
 

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Didn’t think it would be renewed, to be honest. If the ratings continue to dip I think it might only last a few seasons. This comes as a surprise, because Fox has axed all its new animated shows in the 2010s, aside from Bob’s Burgers.
 

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FOX needed a new animated hit anyway (they can't rely on the same 3 cartoons forever), so it's great news for them. Hope Duncanville and The Great North can follow suit.
 

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Welp.

I’m shocked.
Does Disney own the rights to this? If the Fox network does, then I can see them picking this up since it’s the only cartoon on the block that they own the rights to.
Still, I wish Bordertown was given a chance with a second season, that show got better over time, and was funnier than Bless the Harts.
Either way, animated sitcoms are big right now, especially when it comes to streaming, so I can see why Fox wants to give this show more of a chance. I’m sure this show will be given plenty of notes to help really push it. If there’s one thing I’ve learned with the Fox shows, is that they usually get better over time.


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